Crystal Palace (N) | FA Cup Final | Post Match Thread

[mattcity5]

Played ok, didn't get the breaks, had a shite decision go against us because they "didn't want to spoil the cup final".

The one other disappointment for me tactically, was keeping Akanji at right back when we were chasing the game late on. Him and Dias put shite crosses in, and there was little point him being there. I'd have put Nunes on for him, as he does at least have a knack of putting a decent ball in sometimes and getting assists.

 

[Kinkladze 1]

When you look at our squad I don’t know why anybody is surprised we are where we are. Soooo many average players due to age, injuries or just plain ability. Shall I list them? Go on then - stones ake akanji Lewis nunes gundo kdb bernardo savinho doku mcatee Grealish. Fodens gone off a cliff, haaland has been found out, khusanov and reis unheard of (probably for good reason), gonzalez hasn’t started at all well.

If we’re happy with 5th or 6th and no trophies then keep them all and carry on deluding ourselves that we’ll be any better next season.

 

[flook]

Those were two really good chances and split second delays led to them being blocked. O'Reilly in particular waiting for the ball to move onto his left foot took an age (in football terms).

On the brighter side, I thought Echeverri was lively when he came on. Looks promising.

On the less bright side, the wingers had a lot of the ball without any end product again (other than one good save from Doku, iirc). And I suppose the question has to be asked about how we should use Haaland effectively against a ten-man defence. It has to be asked because I am still waiting for the answer :)

We dont play to Haalands strengths, low blocks effectively negate him. Not his fault, just a product of how dominant we have been, and our slow build up approach.

 

[Millennium]

Why is Pep trying to bring something new to the final? Playing without a holding midfielder! Does this remind you of a previous final? Yes, the Champions League final against Chelsea. If Echeverría was fit to play, why wasn't he given the opportunity to play in previous matches? Then, suddenly, the player came on for the last 15 minutes of the Cup final. You can't blame your opponent for the style of play they choose; you have to blame yourself when you fail to confront and beat them.

 

[flook]

When you look at our squad I don’t know why anybody is surprised we are where we are. Soooo many average players due to age, injuries or just plain ability. Shall I list them? Go on then - stones ake akanji Lewis nunes gundo kdb bernardo savinho doku mcatee Grealish. Fodens gone off a cliff, haaland has been found out, khusanov and reis unheard of (probably for good reason), gonzalez hasn’t started at all well.

If we’re happy with 5th or 6th and no trophies then keep them all and carry on deluding ourselves that we’ll be any better next season.

Not much to argue with there, other than being injury prone doesn't make them average.

 

[Craig]

I don't think the problem is tactics. If you play a low block, you end up with attack v defence. The problem we have is that our right-sided forward is struggling, yesterday that was Savinho and then Foden, and KDB is static and too slow to break lines, and get off his passes. He's grown old. There are no tactical solutions for a playing squad that is in transition.

Tend to agree. We dominated yesterday, granted they were happy for us to have the ball but we actually pressed them very well in the main. He couldn’t really have been much more attacking (apart from the ridiculous decision to leave a centre back to try and attack near the end instead of bringing Nunes on to overlap Foden)but the players didn’t create enough or take the 3 great chances we had.

A lot of it comes down to recruitment though. Who was the last truly great player we signed? Lots of very average 50/60m signings who are just alright or potentially good.

 

[flook]

I wish he'd mix it up a bit. Every team knows how we're going to play and how to set up against us now. Different tactics needed for different games. This whole, city style of play that has to run through all our teams, including the women's ia utter bollocks. Play each match as it comes and set tactics accordingly.

Not sure I agree, however we do need a plan B. Is there anything more frustrating in football than having the chance of a break only for one of the midfield to step on the ball and wait for everyone to get back to their drilled positions? Happens time and again. It's like individuality has been completely coached out of them.

 

[Shaker here..]

Rooney doesn't understand VAR. The referee was unsighted so didn't see the play, the linesman was behind the play so couldn't see if the handling was in the box or not, so couldn't advise or overule the ref, so no foul was given on field. VAR can ONLY overrule the on-field decision if EITHER it was a penalty, OR it was a red card offense - either a serious foul or denial of an obvious goal opportunity by the last defender. We all agree it was outside the box, so VAR can't interfere on that basis as it therefore couldn't be a penalty. Erling hadn't actually touched the ball before Dean got a hand to it, so it clearly wasn't in his control, so it fails on the denial of a goal opportunity point as well. VAR therefore could not have interfered. Yes, you can argue that Erling probably would have got the ball under control if Dean didn't push it aside, but that's not the test: did he have the ball under control at that moment? No, clearly not.
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Relatively neutral here, A TEAM beat a collection of individuals yesterday. There's a photo on facebook of Foden, his Mrs and one of his son's all glammed up for some event or other. Doubt there's similar of Palace players. Too much
celebrity status, has it all gone to there heads?

 

[Craig]

Why is Pep trying to bring something new to the final? Playing without a holding midfielder! Does this remind you of a previous final? Yes, the Champions League final against Chelsea. If Echeverría was fit to play, why wasn't he given the opportunity to play in previous matches? Then, suddenly, the player came on for the last 15 minutes of the Cup final. You can't blame your opponent for the style of play they choose; you have to blame yourself when you fail to confront and beat them.

The lack of a holding midfielder was a risk but it didn’t really play out that way. They had about 3 breaks on us during the whole match which almost every half decent team will have regardless of if a holding midfielder plays. It allowed Marmoush to play but creatively it didn’t really work. Another signing who seems decent but not great. Don’t really know where he fits in with Haaland and when Haaland is out unlike Alvarez he can’t seem to play as the main striker.

 

[shevtheblue]

Rooney doesn't understand VAR. The referee was unsighted so didn't see the play, the linesman was behind the play so couldn't see if the handling was in the box or not, so couldn't advise or overule the ref, so no foul was given on field. VAR can ONLY overrule the on-field decision if EITHER it was a penalty, OR it was a red card offense - either a serious foul or denial of an obvious goal opportunity by the last defender. We all agree it was outside the box, so VAR can't interfere on that basis as it therefore couldn't be a penalty. Erling hadn't actually touched the ball before Dean got a hand to it, so it clearly wasn't in his control, so it fails on the denial of a goal opportunity point as well. VAR therefore could not have interfered. Yes, you can argue that Erling probably would have got the ball under control if Dean didn't push it aside, but that's not the test: did he have the ball under control at that moment? No, clearly not.
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A TEAM beat a collection of individuals yesterday.

It’s the denial of a clear goal scoring opportunity, the reason he doesn’t have it under control is because of the action of the keeper using his arm as the last man outside of the box. It’s a clear a red as you’ll see and the fact all the ex pros are agreeing sums it all up.

But that’s not the reason we lost. Pep once said that the actions in both boxes are where the game is won and lost, but it’s actually the transitions in between for us that have cost us all season. Pep has had a stinker all season, yes he has had huge issues to contend with but at this point he needs to by physically decoupled from some of these players. I think he was told, prob by Viana, that kdb has to go - he clearly didn’t want it himself. We have to move on from some of these guys. Unfortunately there’s no space for sentiment, Foden has been dog shit all season and shouldn’t be anywhere near the 11 for the remainder.

 

[City Raider]

Feeling cheated is probably the worst way to lose a game. Despite how shit we were.

 

[flook]

Rooney doesn't understand VAR. The referee was unsighted so didn't see the play, the linesman was behind the play so couldn't see if the handling was in the box or not, so couldn't advise or overule the ref, so no foul was given on field. VAR can ONLY overrule the on-field decision if EITHER it was a penalty, OR it was a red card offense - either a serious foul or denial of an obvious goal opportunity by the last defender. We all agree it was outside the box, so VAR can't interfere on that basis as it therefore couldn't be a penalty. Erling hadn't actually touched the ball before Dean got a hand to it, so it clearly wasn't in his control, so it fails on the denial of a goal opportunity point as well. VAR therefore could not have interfered. Yes, you can argue that Erling probably would have got the ball under control if Dean didn't push it aside, but that's not the test: did he have the ball under control at that moment? No, clearly not.
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A TEAM beat a collection of individuals yesterday.

you're wrong

 

[Craig]

Rooney doesn't understand VAR. The referee was unsighted so didn't see the play, the linesman was behind the play so couldn't see if the handling was in the box or not, so couldn't advise or overule the ref, so no foul was given on field. VAR can ONLY overrule the on-field decision if EITHER it was a penalty, OR it was a red card offense - either a serious foul or denial of an obvious goal opportunity by the last defender. We all agree it was outside the box, so VAR can't interfere on that basis as it therefore couldn't be a penalty. Erling hadn't actually touched the ball before Dean got a hand to it, so it clearly wasn't in his control, so it fails on the denial of a goal opportunity point as well. VAR therefore could not have interfered. Yes, you can argue that Erling probably would have got the ball under control if Dean didn't push it aside, but that's not the test: did he have the ball under control at that moment? No, clearly not.
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A TEAM beat a collection of individuals yesterday.

So on that basis(him not touching the ball even though he was just about to before the keeper touched it) if a there was no keeper in the net(say he’d gone up for a corner) and the striker was sprinting clear to reach a long pass with the net wide open. Could a defender rugby tackle the striker as he’d not actually got to the ball by this point and not be sent off? If Haaland isn’t stopped from touching that ball he’s passed the keeper in the box with an open net. It was a red card all day as it definitely denied a clear goal scoring opportunity. Only reason it wasn’t by the time he got to it was because the keeper twatted it to the side.

 

[supercity88]

Congrats to Palace.

It does piss me off they got robbed in both finals against the rags that they lost but then get the rub of the green against us.

Hard watch again. Passing predictable and slow and then when we did create some space the player was too scared to shoot. O'Reilly should have shot and scored more than once. Haaland shouldn't have bottled the pen, in a game like that he needs to be showing why he is on the big bucks.

Savinho was once again pointless.

 

[walker_is_faster]

Rooney doesn't understand VAR. The referee was unsighted so didn't see the play, the linesman was behind the play so couldn't see if the handling was in the box or not, so couldn't advise or overule the ref, so no foul was given on field. VAR can ONLY overrule the on-field decision if EITHER it was a penalty, OR it was a red card offense - either a serious foul or denial of an obvious goal opportunity by the last defender. We all agree it was outside the box, so VAR can't interfere on that basis as it therefore couldn't be a penalty. Erling hadn't actually touched the ball before Dean got a hand to it, so it clearly wasn't in his control, so it fails on the denial of a goal opportunity point as well. VAR therefore could not have interfered. Yes, you can argue that Erling probably would have got the ball under control if Dean didn't push it aside, but that's not the test: did he have the ball under control at that moment? No, clearly not.
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Relatively neutral here, A TEAM beat a collection of individuals yesterday. There's a photo on facebook of Foden, his Mrs and one of his son's all glammed up for some event or other. Doubt there's similar of Palace players. Too much
celebrity status, has it all gone to there heads?

That's nonsense you're talking, VAR can and should make a decision that the **** keeper pushed the ball with his hand outside of box and he should get a red, anything else anyone says is bullshit.
If you and anyone think our keeper would not get red for that you are naive.

 

[paulchapo]

The joys of British fucking rail. Get up at the crack of dawn to catch the first Manchester train and all I hear at Euston is all services seem.to.be delayed due to engineering works not being finished on time.

 

[Kinkladze 1]

Not much to argue with there, other than being injury prone doesn't make them average.

If you can’t play because you’re injured all the time then you’re worse than average I suppose as you’re offering precisely nothing for vast swathes of the season.

 

[elbearos]

I thought it was a re-run of Southampton,two teams didn't want to play ,parking the bus, absolutely dreadful

 

[RiversideBlue]

Rooney doesn't understand VAR. The referee was unsighted so didn't see the play, the linesman was behind the play so couldn't see if the handling was in the box or not, so couldn't advise or overule the ref, so no foul was given on field. VAR can ONLY overrule the on-field decision if EITHER it was a penalty, OR it was a red card offense - either a serious foul or denial of an obvious goal opportunity by the last defender. We all agree it was outside the box, so VAR can't interfere on that basis as it therefore couldn't be a penalty. Erling hadn't actually touched the ball before Dean got a hand to it, so it clearly wasn't in his control, so it fails on the denial of a goal opportunity point as well. VAR therefore could not have interfered. Yes, you can argue that Erling probably would have got the ball under control if Dean didn't push it aside, but that's not the test: did he have the ball under control at that moment? No, clearly not.
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Relatively neutral here, A TEAM beat a collection of individuals yesterday. There's a photo on facebook of Foden, his Mrs and one of his son's all glammed up for some event or other. Doubt there's similar of Palace players. Too much
celebrity status, has it all gone to there heads?

Everyone who knows anything about football knows that was a red card and its exactly this situation that VAR was brought in to rectify. There is definitely an over reliance from the officials, not making decisions thinking VAR will help them out. I cant blame the onfield ref for not giving that hand ball but the linesman, even though not up with play, should have spotted the keeper planted his feet on the edge of the area then reached forward to swipe the ball. Gutless from the linesman and no excuses for the VAR decision. Stank of manipulating the game. I cant help feeling that if that's Palace on the attack our keeper is getting a straight red with the perception of evening it up.

 

[RiversideBlue]

Up now ready for the off from Wembley central in 20 minutes.

Safe journey.