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CV19. What would the Labour party have done?
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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese
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TBH to the victor go the spoils. The Tories won the GE by a landslide and with that great power comes great responsibility. It is essentially the proper function of the labour opposition to snipe from the sidelines and hold BJ to account. I'm sure some people are hoping to pull the old 'blaming corbyn for brexit' stunt again, by decrying the quality of opposition to policy rather than those doing it!Why isn't this thread pulled for wumming?
A waste of bandwidth whataboutary.
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Exactly the same, struggled and it would have been the Tories claiming how they have made huge mistakes and how they would have done it all differently and saved thousands of lives.
Politics!
Politics!
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Blamed Zionists.
Please dont leave out the Brexiteers, fascists and racists mate ;-)
Exactly the same, struggled and it would have been the Tories claiming how they have made huge mistakes and how they would have done it all differently and saved thousands of lives.
Politics!
I don't doubt that Labour would have made mistakes - and maybe some different ones, but with "hindsight" the two biggest mistakes were not locking down earlier, and pushing covid+ patients out of hospital into care homes.
Labour were clear on both these points at the time. They asked for a lockdown weeks earlier, and they asked for covid testing for hospital discharges weeks before it happened.
We saw what was happening in Spain and Italy, and lots of other EU countries acted quickly in response - we didn't.
Totally agree with all of thatOne thing we do know is that Labour were calling for a lockdown a couple of weeks before we did.
There's a case that even a week earlier would have halved the deaths: https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-10...n-halved-if-uk-entered-lockdown-week-earlier/
Imagine if we had locked down two weeks earlier, when cases were much lower. The peak would have been a lot lower, the pressure on the NHS/Care homes a lot less. Even if we'd started easing lockdown after the same number of weeks, the cases would have been significantly lower, so track/trace would be a lot easier.
One of the saddest aspects has been the way that care homes were treated. Labour were calling for covid testing of patients sent to care homes from hospital in late March/early April. On April 2nd the government confirmed that testing wasn't required, and the advice didn't change till the 15th April. There were numerous complaints from senior hospital managers that they were under pressure to discharge as many old people as possible, but that some care homes wouldn't take them without testing. Incredibly, these care homes were the "bad guys" at the time. Boris, retrospectively putting the blame on he care homes is astonishing, but not unexpected.
Keir Starmer wouldn't have spent those two weeks shaking hands with as many ill people as he could find, and so wouldn't have spent weeks in hospital/recovering when the country needed leadership.
Starmer was also banging on about planning for reopening a lot earlier. He got criticised by Boris for this, but the point is that the planning should have started the day we locked down - and if we'd have done that earlier we'd have had more capacity for planning it.
There would also have been plenty of mistakes. A Corbyn led Labour would likely have been less decisive, but I suspect he'd be bypassed early on anyway. I'd hope Labour would have admitted to mistakes (as more other leaders - apart from the obvious - have), rather than telling us they didn't happen.
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They’d have been more transparent about the PPE contracts too.
I don't doubt that Labour would have made mistakes - and maybe some different ones, but with "hindsight" the two biggest mistakes were not locking down earlier, and pushing covid+ patients out of hospital into care homes.
Labour were clear on both these points at the time. They asked for a lockdown weeks earlier, and they asked for covid testing for hospital discharges weeks before it happened.
We saw what was happening in Spain and Italy, and lots of other EU countries acted quickly in response - we didn't.
The virus was almost certainly here before Italy went to shit, just on a much lesser scale than there, I think what happened was inevitable, in terms of a mass spread nationwide with tens of thousands passing away.
I also think that strong a lockdown had a lifetime. We’ve seen that following the last few weeks and it’s something they said in March.
What people don’t ever remember or say is that around the time herd immunity was being discussed, they said a lockdown would still come but needed to be timed correctly to flatten the curve.
PPE was a fuck up but even the likes of Germany have come under flack for it.
Another fuck up was not doing anything with new arrivals into the country.
I do happen to hold the opinion Sweden was the right way to go, within 6 months it’ll be the safest place in Europe and if everyone had taken the approach, the EU and our economies wouldn’t be so fucked.
bluethrunthru
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they might have sorted this shit out rather than lining the pockets of their friends and fucking about on the IoW
hilts
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More money spent less deaths probably