Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness benefit

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Great post tbp - yes most of us grumble from time to time about the money spent on benefits for the obese, drug addicts, alcoholics and women you churn out child after child year after year BUT you are quite right what is the alternative? As you say these are people with real problems and can't be left homeless, penniless



Another thing - why don't we stop spending billions on overseas aid? When you are short of money and cutbacks are being made you don't give money away until you've sorted your own house out!!
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Rascal said:
the blue panther said:
It's all so fuckin' tiresome. Pre election propaganda, preaching largely to his own electorate and the misguided millions who will side with that other ex public schoolboy - Nigel Farage - thinking that he's one of their own.
The end result of this is people destitute on the streets and in hospital beds, then dead.
You have to decide what society to have.
I don't want Dave's - and I don't particularly want Ed's either. Or Nick's or Nigel's, as they are all too scared to do what's needed in order to fund systems which look after us all properly - for the NHS, care for ALL elderly and the physically and mentally sick; social services capable of preventing and detecting child abuse; education and health systems adequately funded and resourced with enough professionals to cope; prisons big enough to cope and contain the dross who threaten us - and face the fact that, in order for those systems to work, you have to build in excess so that no one is neglected. And more than anything, someone needs to say that, in order to achieve this, it is going to cost us.
I want a society where we look after each other and, if that costs us, so be it. I want a society where the rule of law prevails, but that can't happen when only the rich have access to the legal system (lawyer speaking - wait till you need the law, then see how much it costs you. No legal aid nowadays and, it having been abolished so that you could all go "No win no fee", you'll find that there's barely any no win no fee anymore either.)
We should all pay more to get the best, safest society we can, and just realise that it doesn't come cheap.
I am sick and tired of hearing about cuts and costs.
Why do we have repeated failures in hospitals? Why are they unable to cope at times of strain? Why are there repeated child abuse cases which go uncovered and unattended to? Why are lessons never learned? Why do have places - Rotherham/Rochdale - where child abuse has gone on for years, undetected, on an industrialised scale? Why will the politicians not address these issues? These are disgusting stains on our society and if you are a politician and these things are happening on your watch, you should be ashamed.
Instead, we have talk of cuts, limiting immigration, and ridiculously leaving the EU, with no regard for the reality that ANY cuts will make our society even worse than it already is, and that leaving the EU is the last thing that big business wants, and will most probably ruin our economy. Little businessmen and little Englanders might want us out of the EU, but that isn't based on any kind of proper consideration of the reality of what will actually happen to our economy on the day after the great unwashed tick the "OUT" box, because of the propaganda we are currently being brainwashed by. The value of the pound will tumble and we will be in the biggest crisis ever
And another thing, while I'm ranting - has it registered with anyone that, in the recent talks on the Ukraine crisis, who was involved? Merkel, Alande, and Putin. No Cameron. He has excluded himself and is an irrelevance internationally; boxing himself into a corner due to his fake hostility to the EU - which he thinks he has to maintain because of the extreme right wing of his party, and his fear of UKIP. It is a mark of how far our international standing has fallen under successive governments. It is a sign of persistent political failure by Conservative and Labour. We have no international influence. Merkel is "The Man!"
So, lets cut, cut, cut - but reduce taxes, so that there's less in the pot to pay for what we need. Keep your foot on the throat of the fat, workshy alcoholics - that will save us millions won't it. But we can carry on investing billions on HS2 and trident - absolutely billions - just to keep up the appearance of the UK having any relevance on the international scene. Ignore the tax dodgers - that will all blow over soon.
Anyway - up the blues!

The best post i have read on here for months

An little bit of sanity amongst the usual far right drivel BM is now becoming famous for.
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

BlueBearBoots said:
Great post tbp - yes most of us grumble from time to time about the money spent on benefits for the obese, drug addicts, alcoholics and women you churn out child after child year after year BUT you are quite right what is the alternative? As you say these are people with real problems and can't be left homeless, penniless



Another thing - why don't we stop spending billions on overseas aid? When you are short of money and cutbacks are being made you don't give money away until you've sorted your own house out!!

Too true those starving foreigners can swing we have fatties in the UK with real problems, short of clean water? try going without a pie for a couple of days
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Aye, foreign aid is something that makes me proud. Our house is Earth and all other humans are our brothers and sisters.

But just don't ask me for any money.
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Benefits are there to be claimed when someone falls on hard times through No fault of there own. The benefit is there as a stop gap until you find a job, get better etc. benefits are not there for people to make a career out of claiming benefits. So if you're offered help to get a job and get back into work, you take it and you start contributing again. If you're sick with something curable then you take the help to get better and get back to it. This country is too full of people that have got comfy on their sofas.
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Beetle said:
Benefits are there to be claimed when someone falls on hard times through No fault of there own. The benefit is there as a stop gap until you find a job, get better etc. benefits are not there for people to make a career out of claiming benefits. So if you're offered help to get a job and get back into work, you take it and you start contributing again. If you're sick with something curable then you take the help to get better and get back to it. This country is too full of people that have got comfy on their sofas.

But what happens if you like special brew because your mum didn't love you?
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

hilts said:
BlueBearBoots said:
Great post tbp - yes most of us grumble from time to time about the money spent on benefits for the obese, drug addicts, alcoholics and women you churn out child after child year after year BUT you are quite right what is the alternative? As you say these are people with real problems and can't be left homeless, penniless



Another thing - why don't we stop spending billions on overseas aid? When you are short of money and cutbacks are being made you don't give money away until you've sorted your own house out!!

Too true those starving foreigners can swing we have fatties in the UK with real problems, short of clean water? try going without a pie for a couple of days


30 years since live aid if all the Africans aren't awash with all the water they need by now where the F is all the money going???
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

hilts said:
BlueBearBoots said:
Great post tbp - yes most of us grumble from time to time about the money spent on benefits for the obese, drug addicts, alcoholics and women you churn out child after child year after year BUT you are quite right what is the alternative? As you say these are people with real problems and can't be left homeless, penniless



Another thing - why don't we stop spending billions on overseas aid? When you are short of money and cutbacks are being made you don't give money away until you've sorted your own house out!!

Too true those starving foreigners can swing we have fatties in the UK with real problems, short of clean water? try going without a pie for a couple of days


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Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

BlueBearBoots said:
Great post tbp - yes most of us grumble from time to time about the money spent on benefits for the obese, drug addicts, alcoholics and women you churn out child after child year after year BUT you are quite right what is the alternative? As you say these are people with real problems and can't be left homeless, penniless



Another thing - why don't we stop spending billions on overseas aid? When you are short of money and cutbacks are being made you don't give money away until you've sorted your own house out!!

Foreign aid isn't actually the country being charitable it's a way of securing trade deals and getting whatever else you want from that country. I mean we are giving £280 million to India a country that has it's own space programme and we gave China one of the worlds biggest economies £27 million but it certainly isn't us being charitable.
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

RandomJ said:
BlueBearBoots said:
Great post tbp - yes most of us grumble from time to time about the money spent on benefits for the obese, drug addicts, alcoholics and women you churn out child after child year after year BUT you are quite right what is the alternative? As you say these are people with real problems and can't be left homeless, penniless



Another thing - why don't we stop spending billions on overseas aid? When you are short of money and cutbacks are being made you don't give money away until you've sorted your own house out!!

Foreign aid isn't actually the country being charitable it's a way of securing trade deals and getting whatever else you want from that country. I mean we are giving £280 million to India a country that has it's own space programme and we gave China one of the worlds biggest economies £27 million but it certainly isn't us being charitable.


What would be the repercussions if we didn't give £280 million to India?
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

BlueBearBoots said:
hilts said:
BlueBearBoots said:
Great post tbp - yes most of us grumble from time to time about the money spent on benefits for the obese, drug addicts, alcoholics and women you churn out child after child year after year BUT you are quite right what is the alternative? As you say these are people with real problems and can't be left homeless, penniless



Another thing - why don't we stop spending billions on overseas aid? When you are short of money and cutbacks are being made you don't give money away until you've sorted your own house out!!

Too true those starving foreigners can swing we have fatties in the UK with real problems, short of clean water? try going without a pie for a couple of days


30 years since live aid if all the Africans aren't awash with all the water they need by now where the F is all the money going???

Really? in a world of 6 billion plus you cannot imagine needing to give a foreigner a help in hand, if you had a tenner in your purse and you could give it to a starving kid or an obese adult and they were both on your door step what would you do?

We both know the answer
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

BlueBearBoots said:
RandomJ said:
BlueBearBoots said:
Great post tbp - yes most of us grumble from time to time about the money spent on benefits for the obese, drug addicts, alcoholics and women you churn out child after child year after year BUT you are quite right what is the alternative? As you say these are people with real problems and can't be left homeless, penniless



Another thing - why don't we stop spending billions on overseas aid? When you are short of money and cutbacks are being made you don't give money away until you've sorted your own house out!!

Foreign aid isn't actually the country being charitable it's a way of securing trade deals and getting whatever else you want from that country. I mean we are giving £280 million to India a country that has it's own space programme and we gave China one of the worlds biggest economies £27 million but it certainly isn't us being charitable.


What would be the repercussions if we didn't give £280 million to India?

Just a guess but I would have thought we would lose some of the £12billion in trade we do with them every year.
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

mindmyp's_n_q's said:
BlueBearBoots said:
RandomJ said:
Foreign aid isn't actually the country being charitable it's a way of securing trade deals and getting whatever else you want from that country. I mean we are giving £280 million to India a country that has it's own space programme and we gave China one of the worlds biggest economies £27 million but it certainly isn't us being charitable.


What would be the repercussions if we didn't give £280 million to India?

Just a guess but I would have thought we would lose some of the £12billion in trade we do with them every year.


But trade is a two way thng that benefits both parties ??
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

BlueBearBoots said:
hilts said:
BlueBearBoots said:
Great post tbp - yes most of us grumble from time to time about the money spent on benefits for the obese, drug addicts, alcoholics and women you churn out child after child year after year BUT you are quite right what is the alternative? As you say these are people with real problems and can't be left homeless, penniless



Another thing - why don't we stop spending billions on overseas aid? When you are short of money and cutbacks are being made you don't give money away until you've sorted your own house out!!

Too true those starving foreigners can swing we have fatties in the UK with real problems, short of clean water? try going without a pie for a couple of days


30 years since live aid if all the Africans aren't awash with all the water they need by now where the F is all the money going???

It's quite a long article but it sums up the legacy of Live Aid, Charities and aid in general.

A special report on the corrosive legacy of Live Aid

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1394154/Live-Aids-corrosive-legacy-David-Cameron-UKs-overseas-aid-budget.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... udget.html</a>

There is also this from some African's viewpoint before the 30th Anniversary of Live Aid.

Africans to Geldof: We don’t need another Band Aid solution

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.humanosphere.org/world-politics/2014/11/africans-geldof-dont-need-another-band-aid-solution/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.humanosphere.org/world-polit ... -solution/</a>

It seems to benefit the rich and famous by raising their stock further more than anything else.
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Is he not just going for the people that refuse to help themselves?
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

hilts said:
BlueBearBoots said:
hilts said:
Too true those starving foreigners can swing we have fatties in the UK with real problems, short of clean water? try going without a pie for a couple of days


30 years since live aid if all the Africans aren't awash with all the water they need by now where the F is all the money going???

Really? in a world of 6 billion plus you cannot imagine needing to give a foreigner a help in hand, if you had a tenner in your purse and you could give it to a starving kid or an obese adult and they were both on your door step what would you do?

We both know the answer


I'd definitely want to give t to someone in my own country that was having problems - why wouldn't you?
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

BlueBearBoots said:
hilts said:
BlueBearBoots said:
30 years since live aid if all the Africans aren't awash with all the water they need by now where the F is all the money going???

Really? in a world of 6 billion plus you cannot imagine needing to give a foreigner a help in hand, if you had a tenner in your purse and you could give it to a starving kid or an obese adult and they were both on your door step what would you do?

We both know the answer


I'd definitely want to give t to someone in my own country that was having problems - why wouldn't you?

Presume your on a wind up
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Politician goes after easy targets, shock horror. Is there an election coming up?
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

BigOscar said:
Politician goes after easy targets, shock horror. Is there an election coming up?

Thinner and sober people are harder to hit in fairness
 

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