David Moyes, shameless hypocrite

For all the media love-in with Moyes, he's been at Everton ten years and no one has tried to prise him away from them. Not one of the big clubs has ever showed interest in him, in spite if his decent record as a manager.

Numerous vacancies have come up, and he's still toughing it out at Goodison.

Doesn't thant tell you how much he's really thought of?

A bit like 'Arry... everyone loves him... but we'll see if he ever gets a decent job again.

Moyes won't be going to Spurs. I'd be amazed if that happened. He's a small-time manager whose quality is only ever going to be that he's got longevity and can turn mediocre players into reasonable ones.

He's peaked at Everton.
 
Very good article from the Independent on Moyes:

Kevin Garside: David Moyes is missing the boat because he lacks fantasy factor

The Way I See It: His teams don't tell us what he stands for; they don't make the heart sing


David Moyes is not an obvious target for criticism; revered at Goodison, admired by the players, respected by the football community. So why is he still at Everton?

Moyes first appeared in our sightlines as a young coach at Preston. He was feted by Sir Alex Ferguson, who would have liked him at his side at Old Trafford. Fergie's sanction is persuasive and with it Moyes crossed the Goodison threshold validated as a coach. He has since been touted as a future manager of Manchester United.

Since the season's end four of the biggest jobs in English football have become vacant. He wasn't considered at Liverpool, Chelsea or Aston Villa, and according to his own testimony, Tottenham haven't bothered him either.

Would his Everton association automatically have excluded him from the deliberations of Liverpool's American owners? In this enlightened age is 10 years in a blue tie enough to cross him off the Anfield wish list? Surely he was worth a coffee in Miami alongside Roberto Martinez and Brendan Rodgers.

Martinez and Rodgers are known to believe in a particular style of football. Their teams adhere to an identifiable aesthetic. The idea of Rodgers as a British disciple of the Barcelona school was cultivated at Swansea and absorbed by us all during a commendable first season in the Premier League. Swansea demonstrated a love of the ball, went forward with verve and style and when they didn't have it, chased down opponents high up the pitch.

Martinez fashioned another remarkable stay of execution for Wigan Athletic, a club that in every sense is punching above its class. In a definitive climax Wigan beat Manchester United at home and Arsenal away. They lost only narrowly at Stamford Bridge to a controversial refereeing decision. Martinez is considered to have a 'continental' approach. He is known to aspire to a passing game that is easy on the eye.

Paul Lambert left Norwich for Villa with a reputation as a brilliant organiser and technician. A playing career that embraced foreign soil helped him to create a cosmopolitan atmosphere around his work. His Norwich ensemble were pleasing on the eye if not as expansive as Swansea. They were dynamic and disciplined and played with confidence and belief. Like Martinez and Rodgers, Lambert assembled his teams with beans, further enhancing his reputation. One of the fascinations of next season is to see how the methods and principles of Rodgers and Lambert survive in heightened environments. For young British coaches, their appointments at important clubs with big pasts and huge fan-bases are a positive step.

This is the territory once occupied by Moyes, who, having won promotion with Preston from the third tier and taken them to fourth in the second, bagged the Everton job on the "coming man" ticket. Ten years on, while others have swept in behind him, Moyes has stalled, never quite creating a team that made an emotional impression on the neutral. A little like Alan Curbishley, who spent 15 years keeping Charlton's head above water, "success" has always been relative, conditioned by the constraints faced. Despite a good eye for a player – Tim Cahill, Phil Jagielka, Marouane Fellaini, Steven Pienaar, Nikica Jelavic, astute buys all – his teams have not told us with enough force what he stands for. They don't make the heart sing.

The mention of Rodgers conjures immediate visions of white shirts pinging the ball about with panache. Moyes is associated with maintenance, augmenting Joe Royle's dogs of war when expansive, imaginative football is the requirement to get on.

His league record looks impressive on paper; eight top 10 finishes in 11 seasons at Goodison Park with a highest of fourth. But he has won precisely nothing. Chairmen looking to appoint, like fans, are children at heart. They do not care how hard the job is, they want excitement, thrills, fantasy and at least the hope of winning a pot.

Three years ago the FA Cup semi-final at Wembley against a weakened Manchester United presented Moyes with an ideal opportunity to put his stamp on a showpiece occasion. The Everton support easily outperformed the red half of the stadium, which, a little like Ferguson, could not quite drum up enough interest in the day. Everton did indeed get home, on penalties after 120 minutes of mind-numbing attrition. Moyes saw vindication in the result.

In the final against Chelsea circumstances could not have been more favourable. Louis Saha gave Everton the lead within seconds. The hour had surely come; a first major trophy since 1995 was there to be claimed. Seize the day. Not a bit of it. The opposite occurred. Everton seized up behind the same defensive tactics that prevailed against United, lumping long balls from deeper and deeper positions. Chelsea couldn't miss in the end.

The big occasion defines and separates. In both semi and final Moyes revealed a defensive reflex that ultimately proved Everton's undoing. Not only did they fail, they failed to inspire in defeat. Harsh as it sounds, that is perhaps why, in this period of management opportunity, Moyes is going nowhere.

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I've said it before, but I think Moyes would be another Mark Hughes if he joined a bigger club. Its all well and good succeeding with a limited budget, and low expectations, getting pats on the back for it. At somewhere like Spurs or United, there's going to be far greater pressure, expectation, and media attention. The transfer market also changes. Unknown gems for peanuts are no longer a priority, you'll be expected to spend big on proven, quality players, not gambles, or punts on obscure players. Then there's the issue of dealing with higher profile players and bigger ego's. Good, entertaining football is another priority. Moyes will stay at Everton, because thats where his bread is buttered, he has a job for life there. Join a bigger club, and you could be out of a job in six months, and your reputation in tatters.
 
LongsightM13 said:
Just starting a thread in readiness to discuss the full, unconditional, grovelling public apology David Moyes will make to Joleon Lescott and Manchester City FC for the bitterness and envy-fuelled bile he has spewed in our direction for the last three years if/when he takes the Tottenham job.
Then again, he will surely turn the offer down. After all, his track record suggests that once you join Everton, you are not allowed to leave, ever. Never mind ambition, a better chance of winning trophies or better money. This is Everton, the sole bastion of 'team spirit' in. Britain.
You wouldn't catch the swivel-eyed gimp doing that, oh no.
I get the sense that this one's been brewing for a while, Longsight.
 
OK, let's get the important thing out of the way. I fucking despise Everton and I have a real dislike for Moyes. He always seems to me to be the architypal, bitter Glesga bully, cut from the same cloth as that horrible **** at the swamp.

However...

If you cast cursory glance over the issues behind the scenes with Everton, the lack of funds, the megalomaniacal chairman steadfastly fiddling away while his Rome burns, I've got a very grudging admiration for the job Marty Feldman has done for the Blue dippers.

His teams are always difficult to beat and always seem to have done their homework on whoever they are playing. Sure they don't win every game or play scintilating football but they do a job and tend to do more than 'just survive' in the Premier League.

The last 8 years for Everton have seen them finish 7th, 7th, 8th, 5th, 5th, 6th, 11th and 4th. Whilst he may not have added a pot to their cabinet, I still think (based on the Swales-esque shennanigans over at Goodison) those finishes are nothing short of remarkable.

God, I feel dirty now. Need a shower.
 
He is the best manager currently in the premier league. ( for what he has)
I am an Everton fan, I realise what he has achieved with what he has been given to work with.
Yes he does sometimes play negative football, but so would any manager forced to play Hibbert, Davies, Beattie or Castillio Sagundo. For fucks sake the man is a miracle worker to pull the positions he has out of the bag at the end of a season.

I'm not saying, he'd do well anywhere else, or if he had a warchest like you have been given, but give the man some credit, he does well with what he's got, and he drives a fucking hard bargain when selling centre backs.




Last bit was a joke
 
Coldcase said:
He is the best manager currently in the premier league. ( for what he has)
I am an Everton fan, I realise what he has achieved with what he has been given to work with.
Yes he does sometimes play negative football, but so would any manager forced to play Hibbert, Davies, Beattie or Castillio Sagundo. For fucks sake the man is a miracle worker to pull the positions he has out of the bag at the end of a season.

I'm not saying, he'd do well anywhere else, or if he had a warchest like you have been given, but give the man some credit, he does well with what he's got, and he drives a fucking hard bargain when selling centre backs.




Last bit was a joke

If his squad's poor then it's because he's not been getting the players. There's been some great deals over the last 10 years but Moyes just hasn't spotted any of them.
 
We have no money to buy players though. We buy cheap normally, occasionally we sell a donkey for an overinflated price, this allows us to buy for a couple of seasons.

What he buys are players that fit into his team work ethic. It works.

But all in all he's given nothing to work with. Just scraps.
 
I always had a very soft spot for Everton because of all the connections between the two clubs, such as Joe Mercer, Peter Reid, Joe Royle, etc.

But in the last three years, I have hated everything to do with the poor men of Liverpool.

And it's all down to one man; their bog-eyed Gollum look-alike manager.

All the crap he came out with at the time of the Lescott transfer and his continued bile and bitterness ever since has shown him up to be a pathetic individual, who should have had the good grace to admit defeat properly.
 
Defeat? He got 10 million more for a centre back than he should by moaning. Seems like a win to me.

He may seem bitter and twisted, but to be honest, I'm glad he is. He fires his team up for the big games, he knows how to unsettle teams. He is a fucking football manager. He plays the game. We drop 10 to 15 points a season because we struggle to play against so called smaller teams. His fault, he's not perfect.

All this bollocks about city being our cup final is utter rubbish, we play well against most big teams and get results now.

He would work well as a national manager. I'd like him to be given a decent amount to spend for a couple of seasons at Everton, just to see what he'd do.
 
Coldcase said:
We have no money to buy players though. We buy cheap normally, occasionally we sell a donkey for an overinflated price, this allows us to buy for a couple of seasons.

What he buys are players that fit into his team work ethic. It works.

But all in all he's given nothing to work with. Just scraps.

True but he never seems to find bargins or players who no one has ever heard of who turns out to be a world beater. He buys average players at mediocre prices.

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