Death Penalty

[Bigg Bigg Blue]

Now it's been a while since I did the religion- type stuff, but doesn't repentance and asking for forgiveness come into it somewhere? Or had the new Pope changed the rules... ?

I'm C of E so I don't care what the pope says.

Don't remember you at evening service last Sunday were you at the back

I was just behind you.

 

[i kne albert davy]

I'm C of E so I don't care what the pope says.

Don't remember you at evening service last Sunday were you at the back

I was just behind you.

Strange I could have sworn you we about 6 pews to my right.

 

[tidyman]

I don't give a fuck what he has or hasn't done, no way should they have let that **** number 55 out.

 

[Ammy]

I'm C of E so I don't care what the pope says.

Ok...Jesus. Didn't Jesus demand basic, genuine repentance (confession) before forgiveness was given?

Don't know mate he died before I was born. :)

Ah sorry. Thought there was a book that you lot follow...

 

[Bigg Bigg Blue]

Don't remember you at evening service last Sunday were you at the back

I was just behind you.

Strange I could have sworn you we about 6 pews to my right.

Always on the right mate.

 

[pominoz]

Don't remember you at evening service last Sunday were you at the back

I was just behind you.

Strange I could have sworn you we about 6 pews to my right.

Have a look at last post, page 16.

 

[i kne albert davy]

So you are fine with a "few" innocents being killed for crimes they did not commit, as long as you kill most of the guilty?
Says more about you than me.

No I'm not fine with Innocents being executed no but your fine with innocents being Murdered I take it, please explain why someone who'll take away someone's life illegally is entitled to live their's then i'll be convinced your right until you can it says a lot more about you than me i'm afraid.

Seeing as you are hard of thinking, take a few days to read this,,,

Inmates exonerated from death row USA

United States[edit source]
1930–1939[edit source]
1937
1. Willie Roberson, Olen Montgomery, Eugene Williams, and Roy Wright Alabama. Convicted 1931.
1970–1979[edit source]
1973
1. David Keaton, Florida (Keaton v. State, 273 So.2d 385 (1973)). Convicted 1971.
1974
2. Samuel A. Poole, North Carolina (State v. Poole, 203 S.E.2d 786 (N.C. 1974)). Convicted 1973.
1975
3. Wilbert Lee, Florida (Pitts v. State 247 So.2d 53 (Fla. 1971), overturned and released by pardon in 1975). Convicted 1963.
4. Freddie Pitts, Florida (Pitts v. State 247 So.2d 53 (Fla. 1971), overturned and released by pardon in 1975). Convicted 1965.
5. James Creamer, Georgia (Emmett v. Ricketts, 397 F. Supp 1025 (N.D. Ga. 1975)). Convicted 1973.
6. Christopher Spicer, North Carolina (State v. Spicer, 204 SE 2d 641 (1974)). Convicted 1973.
1976
7. Clarence Norris, Alabama. Convicted 1931.
8. Thomas Gladish, New Mexico. Convicted 1974.
9. Richard Greer, New Mexico. Convicted 1974.
10. Ronald Keine, New Mexico. Convicted 1974.
11. Clarence Smith, New Mexico. Convicted 1974.
1977
11. Delbert Tibbs, Florida. Convicted 1974.
1978
12. Earl Charles, Georgia. Convicted 1975.
13. Jonathan Treadway, Arizona. Convicted 1975.
1979
14. Gary Beeman, Ohio. Convicted 1976.
1980–1989[edit source]
1980
15. Jerry Banks
16. Larry Hicks
1981
17. Charles Ray Giddens
18. Michael Linder
19. Johnny Ross
20. Ernest (Shuhaa) Graham
1982
21. Annibal Jaramillo
22. Lawyer Johnson, Massachusetts (Commonwealth v. Johnson, 429 N.E.2d 726 (1982)). Convicted 1971.
1985
23. Larry Fisher
1986
24. Anthony Brown
25. Neil Ferber
26. Clifford Henry Bowen
1987
27. Joseph Green Brown. He was re-arrested in 2012 and charged with another murder in North Carolina.[2]
28. Perry Cobb
29. Darby (Williams) Tillis
30. Vernon McManus
31. Anthony Ray Peek
32. Juan Ramos
33. Robert Wallace
1988
34. Richard Neal Jones
35. Willie Brown
36. Larry Troy
1989
37. Randall Dale Adams, Texas (Ex Parte Adams, 768 S.W.2d 281) (Tex. Crim App. 1989). Convicted 1977.[3][4]
38. Robert Cox
39. James Richardson
On April 8, 2010, former death row inmate Timothy B. Hennis, once exonerated in 1989, was reconvicted of a triple murder, thereby dropping him from the list of those exonerated.[5] Sentenced to death by military court-martial 15 April 2010.
1990–1999[edit source]
1990
40. Clarence Brandley, Texas (Ex Parte Brandley, 781 S.W.2d 886 (Tex. Crim App. 1989). Convicted 1981.
41. John C. Skelton
42. Dale Johnston
43. Jimmy Lee Mathers
1991
44. Gary Nelson
45. Bradley P. Scott
46. Charles Smith
1992
47. Jay C. Smith, Pennsylvania. Convicted 1986.
1993
48. Kirk Bloodsworth, Maryland. Convicted 1984. Exonerated 1993; first prisoner to be exonerated by DNA evidence. Serving life in prison when exonerated, as earlier death sentence was overturned.
49. Federico M. Macias
50. Walter McMillan
51. Gregory R. Wilhoit Oklahoma. Convicted 1987. Along with Ron Williamson, Wilhoit later became the subject of John Grisham's 2006 non-fiction book The Innocent Man: Murder and Injustice in a Small Town.[6]
52. James Robison
53. Muneer Deeb
1994
54. Andrew Golden
1995
55. Adolph Munson
56. Robert Charles Cruz. (Cruz disappeared in 1997. His remains were found in 2007.[7])
57. Rolando Cruz
58. Alejandro Hernández
59. Sabrina Butler
1996
60. Joseph Burrows. Joseph Burrows was released from death row after his attorney Kathleen Zellner persuaded the real killer to confess at the post-conviction hearing, and Peter Rooney, a reporter for the Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette, obtained a recantation from a key witness.[8] The Burrows case was the subject of a book by Rooney titled Die Free: A True Story of Murder, Betrayal and Miscarried Justice.
61. Verneal Jimerson
62. Dennis Williams
63. Roberto Miranda
64. Gary Gauger
65. Troy Lee Jones
66. Carl Lawson
67. David Wayne Grannis
1997
68. Ricardo Aldape Guerra
69. Benjamin Harris
70. Robert Hayes
71. Christopher McCrimmon
72. Randall Padgett
It is later revealed, through additional research by Prof. Samuel Gross of the University of Michigan, that though James Bo Cochran was acquitted of murder, he did plead guilty to a robbery charge in an agreement made with prosecutors prior to his release. Therefore, Cochran is no longer on the list of those exonerated from death row.[9]
1998
73. Robert Lee Miller, Jr.
74. Curtis Kyles.
1999
75. Shareef Cousin, Louisiana (Louisiana v. Cousin, 710 So. 2d 1065 (1998)). Convicted 1996.
76. Anthony Porter, Illinois. Convicted 1983.
77. Steven Smith
78. Ronald Williamson, Oklahoma. Convicted 1988. Along with Gregory R. Wilhoit, Williamson later became the inspiration for and subject of John Grisham's 2006 non-fiction book The Innocent Man: Murder and Injustice in a Small Town.[6]
79. Ronald Jones
80. Clarence Dexter, Jr.
81. Warren Douglas Manning
82. Alfred Rivera
2000–2009[edit source]
2000
83. Steve Manning
84. Eric Clemmons
85. Joseph Nahume Green
86. Earl Washington, Virginia (pardoned). Convicted 1994 (1984, without life sentence).
87. William Nieves
88. Frank Lee Smith (died prior to exoneration)
89. Michael Graham
90. Albert Burrell
91. Oscar Lee Morris
2001
92. Peter Limone
93. Gary Drinkard
94. Joachin José Martínez
95. Jeremy Sheets
96. Charles Fain
2002
97. Juan Roberto Melendez-Colon, Florida. Convicted 1984.
98. Ray Krone, Arizona (State v. Krone, 897 P.2d 621 (Ariz. 1995) (en banc)). Convicted 1992.
99. Thomas Kimbell, Jr.
100. Larry Osborne
2003
101. Aaron Patterson
102. Madison Hobley
103. Leroy Orange
104. Stanley Howard
105. Rudolph Holton
106. Lemuel Prion
107. Wesley Quick
108. John Thompson
109. Timothy Howard, Ohio. Convicted 1976.
110. Gary Lamar James, Ohio. Convicted 1976.
111. Joseph Amrine.
112. Nicholas Yarris, Pennsylvania (Pennsylvania v. Yarris, No 690-OF1982, Court of Common Pleas, Delaware County, September 3, 2003. Order vacating conviction). Convicted 1982.
2004
113. Alan Gell
114. Gordon Steidl
115. Laurence Adams
116. Dan L. Bright
117. Ryan Matthews
118. Ernest Ray Willis
2005
119. Derrick Jamison
120. Harold Wilson
2006
121. John Ballard
2007
122. Curtis McCarty
123. Michael McCormick
124. Jonathon Hoffman
2008
125. Kennedy Brewer Mississippi. Convicted 1995.
126. Glen Edward Chapman, North Carolina. Convicted 1995.
127. Levon "Bo" Jones,[10] North Carolina. Convicted 1993.
128. Michael Blair, Texas.
2009
129. Nathson Fields, Illinois. Convicted 1986.
130. Paul House, Tennessee. Convicted 1986.
131. Daniel Wade Moore, Alabama. Convicted 2002.
132. Ronald Kitchen, Illinois. Convicted 1988.
133. Herman Lindsey, Florida. Convicted 2006.
134. Michael Toney, Texas. Convicted 1999. (Toney later died in a car accident on October 3, 2009, just one month and a day after his exoneration.)[11]
135. Yancy Douglas, Oklahoma. Convicted 1997.
136. Paris Powell, Oklahoma. Convicted 1997.
137. Robert Springsteen, Texas. Convicted 2001.
2010–2012[edit source]
2010
138. Joe D'Ambrosio, Ohio. Convicted 1989. (While he was freed in 2010, but not yet exonerated, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal by the state of Ohio challenging the unconditional writ of habeas corpus and bar to D'Ambrosio's re-prosecution on January 23, 2012, nearly 2 years later, making D'Ambrosio the 140th death row exoneree since 1973.[12])
139. Anthony Graves, Texas. Convicted 1994.
2011
140. Gussie Vann, Tennessee. Convicted 1994.
2012
141. Damon Thibodeaux, Louisiana. Convicted 1997.
142. Seth Penalver, Florida. Convicted 1994.

For Godsake I know your in Australia and as such could make it here but how do I put this last week I was on holiday in the States and this might have been the tiniest bit relevant in some small way but I reside in Great Britain it bears absolutely no resemblance to the USA what so ever so, using this means sod all. still awaiting your answer to why its ok for someone to illegally end someone's life yet keep their own. come on convince me.

 

[pominoz]

[
For Godsake I know your in Australia and as such could make it here but how do I put this last week I was on holiday in the States and this might have been the tiniest bit relevant in some small way but I reside in Great Britain it bears absolutely no resemblance to the USA what so ever so, using this means sod all. still awaiting your answer to why its ok for someone to illegally end someone's life yet keep their own. come on convince me.

No one has said it is ok to kill anyone but you "hang em high" nutjobs.

As for your rant above the bolded bit, NFI.

Getting on to 3-45 am here, so will get back to your fucked up thinking later.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

My dad, who it has to be said has got increasingly more right-wing as he's got older, has gone from being opposed to the death penalty to being in favour of it, not least because "there are too many people in the world". Whilst what he says is factually correct I'm not quite sure how re-introducing hanging in this country is going to arrest the unsustainable increase in the global population to any meaningful extent.

Anyway, it got me thinking: has anyone on here undergone the same journey. I know plenty of folk who've come to realise that the death penalty is wrong/not able to be rectified/morally unjustifiable/not a deterrent, but has anyone else come to be in favour of it, from a previous position of being opposed.


I'd genuinely like to know, as well as the reasons for it.

 

[i kne albert davy]

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For Godsake I know your in Australia and as such could make it here but how do I put this last week I was on holiday in the States and this might have been the tiniest bit relevant in some small way but I reside in Great Britain it bears absolutely no resemblance to the USA what so ever so, using this means sod all. still awaiting your answer to why its ok for someone to illegally end someone's life yet keep their own. come on convince me.

No one has said it is ok to kill anyone but you "hang em high" nutjobs.

As for your rant above the bolded bit, NFI.

Still waiting but I think reasoned debate may be well beyond you, unfortunately despite living in a democracy the majority aren't allowed a say either.