Death Penalty

[marco]

no death pen but a minimum 100 year sentence with no parole and forced hard labour every single day at least there putting somthing back into the system

 

[CITYBOY1000]

no death pen but a minimum 100 year sentence with no parole and forced hard labour every single day at least there putting somthing back into the system

Nice but sadly, like the death penalty, isn't going to happen. Breach of Human Rights Act. They'd be pulling a sickie everyday.

 

[i kne albert davy]

What was in in the early 60s skas I couldn't find a definitive answer but i'll lay good odds from the 1930s to 60s when there was a death penalty that wasn't used willy nilly it was a dam site lower than recently.

Leaving aside the blatant preposterousness of you getting to choose the lowest (and generally unrepresentative) figures from the two hundred and fifty year period of British capital punishment and me having to use the figures for 2012, and not say, 1966, as if it's a fair comparison when you're engaging in the most extreme example of cherry-picking imaginable, by what logic can you claim that having the death penalty works - as long as you barely ever use it? Surely a deterrent should be most effective when it is most heavily used if it is genuine deterrent?

Skas couldn't reply earlier owing to wife spotting Villa tickets in glove box and demanding to be wined and dined, but I don't think picking years 1930s to 60s was to out of order as opposed to the 200 years ago that you chose to pick surely we're far more civilized now than 50 years ago with all the advantages modern society has to offer, and as for deterrents being used heavily the atomic bomb has prevented war with the major powers for over 65 years now but i'm quite happy its not used as a regular thing. Ps the death penalty was still with us in 1966 just suspended while the minority in Parliament told us what was best for us. Oh and I really didn't know the murder rates in the early 60s as opposed to the last few years I just worked off what I used to see as a kid and today and thought either murders are reported a lot more or as a nation we've gone down hill badly.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It's often assumed by those in favour of Capital Punishment that their view is one that carries the majority of public support.

If the matter was put to a referendum I actually reckon there would be a small majority against its re-introduction. It would certainly be a close thing and not the landslide in favour that some seem to expect.<br /><br />-- Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:50 am --<br /><br />It's often assumed by those in favour of Capital Punishment that their view is one that carries the majority of public support.

If the matter was put to a referendum I actually reckon there would be a small majority against its re-introduction. It would certainly be a close thing and not the landslide in favour that some seem to expect.

 

[i kne albert davy]

It's often assumed by those in favour of Capital Punishment that their view is one that carries the majority of public support.

If the matter was put to a referendum I actually reckon there would be a small majority against its re-introduction. It would certainly be a close thing and not the landslide in favour that some seem to expect.

-- Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:50 am --

It's often assumed by those in favour of Capital Punishment that their view is one that carries the majority of public support.

If the matter was put to a referendum I actually reckon there would be a small majority against its re-introduction. It would certainly be a close thing and not the landslide in favour that some seem to expect.

Not a bad reason to put in to the people then can't see it happening which tells a story.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It's often assumed by those in favour of Capital Punishment that their view is one that carries the majority of public support.

If the matter was put to a referendum I actually reckon there would be a small majority against its re-introduction. It would certainly be a close thing and not the landslide in favour that some seem to expect.

Not a bad reason to put in to the people then can't see it happening which tells a story.

You are correct, it won't happen. Not least because it would cause an absolute diplomatic meltdown.

A yes vote would actually lead to greater divisions and social unrest than is currently the case. Each execution could be expected to be met with a great deal of civil disobedience from those opposed to its re-introduction imo. If a society more at ease with itself is what you are seeking, I don't believe this is the solution. I believe it would cause enormous societal fracture.

 

[CITYBOY1000]

It's often assumed by those in favour of Capital Punishment that their view is one that carries the majority of public support.

If the matter was put to a referendum I actually reckon there would be a small majority against its re-introduction. It would certainly be a close thing and not the landslide in favour that some seem to expect.

Not a bad reason to put in to the people then can't see it happening which tells a story.

You are correct, it won't happen. Not least because it would cause an absolute diplomatic meltdown.

A yes vote would actually lead to greater divisions and social unrest than is currently the case. Each execution could be expected to be met with a great deal of civil disobedience from those opposed to its re-introduction imo. If a society more at ease with itself is what you are seeking, I don't believe this is the solution. I believe it would cause enormous societal fracture.

Yes, gordon, that may well be true and prophetic.

But didn't they say something similar would happen if they introduced the minimum wage ? That didn't happen though did it ?

You have to do things you believe in. If the election comes up you have to vote for one party. You can't be worrying about the aftermath.

 

[i kne albert davy]

It's often assumed by those in favour of Capital Punishment that their view is one that carries the majority of public support.

If the matter was put to a referendum I actually reckon there would be a small majority against its re-introduction. It would certainly be a close thing and not the landslide in favour that some seem to expect.

Not a bad reason to put in to the people then can't see it happening which tells a story.

You are correct, it won't happen. Not least because it would cause an absolute diplomatic meltdown.

A yes vote would actually lead to greater divisions and social unrest than is currently the case. Each execution could be expected to be met with a great deal of civil disobedience from those opposed to its re-introduction imo. If a society more at ease with itself is what you are seeking, I don't believe this is the solution. I believe it would cause enormous societal fracture.

Yep I think we all know that capital punishment won't be re-introduced in the foreseeable future I'm doubtful if it would be a good or a bad thing to be honest the thing what sticks right in my throat is the likes of Bradley Hindley Sutcliffe and these two who murdered lee Rigby get to live their lives out while their victims are gone forever, who speaks for them.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Not a bad reason to put in to the people then can't see it happening which tells a story.

You are correct, it won't happen. Not least because it would cause an absolute diplomatic meltdown.

A yes vote would actually lead to greater divisions and social unrest than is currently the case. Each execution could be expected to be met with a great deal of civil disobedience from those opposed to its re-introduction imo. If a society more at ease with itself is what you are seeking, I don't believe this is the solution. I believe it would cause enormous societal fracture.

Yes, gordon, that may well be true and prophetic.

But didn't they say something similar would happen if they introduced the minimum wage ? That didn't happen though did it ?

You have to do things you believe in. If the election comes up you have to vote for one party. You can't be worrying about the aftermath.

I hardly think the introduction of the minimum wage is analogous to the re-introduction of the death penalty. The minimum wage (which I supported and still do) was subject to debate about its consequences, both economic and social. As it happens there was a lot of scaremongering, mainly by big business, but it wasn't a subject that roused particularly strong emotions in the wider population.

Capital Punishment is entirely different. There can be no doubt as to the outcome: someone will die at the hands of the state, that is the point of it. You have an event on a particular date at a particular location that will become the focal point for any and all dissent. There would be a build up in the weeks and months leading up to each execution with which glib comparisons cannot be drawn. What some see as the solution to what they believe is a breakdown in society could very well, in actual fact, worsen that problem as they perceive it.

People wanting its re-introduction expecting a nice neat passing of the baton are hopelessly short-sighted and naive imo.

 

[Andy Dale]

Wasn't the death penalty repealed due to miscarriages of justice in the 50's and 60's ?
Modern technology can pinpoint guilt to something like 1 billion /1.Maybe more.
Stefan Kiszko was a prime example for abolishing it. An innocent man jailed for years.
Tim Evans was an innocent man that hanged for the John Christie murders .
However Peter Sutcliffe , Dennis Nielson , Robert Black , Fred West and these 2 scum currently on trial definately deserve it .
With todays advancements in DNA and other forensic sciences , surely its time to bring it back .
If it was up to me , there would be phone lines like on X-Factor and the public got to vote on the guilty persons punishment . . .
For hanging press 1...
For the guillotine press 2...
For crucifixion press 3...
For burnt at the stake press 4 ...
Etc ,etc ...
Ok the votes are in . . . . . Tonight Michael you will be executed by . . . . drum roll . . . . . . Lethal injection .