Declan Rice

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Hmmm, by the sounds of it, the bid is going to be rejected. Honestly thought that if we eventually bid, it'd be at West Ham's valuation

They don't know their valuation...I mean, they don't know how high City/Arsenal would go. We also don't know the limit to which Arsenal would go. But we are highly likely to offer W Ham a better deal, if not in terms of overall numbers, say 100m, then in terms of structure.
 
I wonder if rice is concerned about the impact it will have professionally and personally with his relationship with phillips. Either hes here to directly compete (and probably prevent phillips play) or hes effectively forcing him out of city when phillips clearly wants to stay.

Not easy given they both in the england set up
Not a chance he would give it a second thought, football is ruthless at all levels, the higher up the food chain it becomes vicious.

Phillips has had his chance, he did not take it, one day the full story of the post world cup Pep fall out will be known.

Once you have lost the trust of Pep your done.
 
They don't know their valuation...I mean, they don't know how high City/Arsenal would go. We also don't know the limit to which Arsenal would go. But we are highly likely to offer W Ham a better deal, if not in terms of overall numbers, say 100m, then in terms of structure.

They do know their valuation - they want a package of 100m, with 80-85m up front, easily achievable add ons and a shorter payment schedule. Whether City or Arsenal fulfil that is a different matter. City don't often get in bidding wars, so to bid an amount that's likely to get rejected/doesn't force other bidders to back down is an interesting move.
 
Why not bid £90mill and £10mill add ons? Boom! Done and dusted. Unless City know the first bid will be rejected and that will be the 2nd bid?

Think you answered your own question. WH would always be likely to reject the first bid, while Arsenal are still at the table. They and we would both expect an improved Arsenal bid, that we'd then again 'match'.
 
Not a chance he would give it a second thought, football is ruthless at all levels, the higher up the food chain it becomes vicious.

Phillips has had his chance, he did not take it, one day the full story of the post world cup Pep fall out will be known.

Once you have lost the trust of Pep your done.
Phillips probably escaped a similar fate to cancelo because hes a nice guy.
Aguero came very close to suffering similar wrath because of weight and willingness issues early on too.
Phillips in the long run was always gone because hes not quite good enough and aguero was.

But yeah, piss pep off at your peril
 
They do know their valuation - they want a package of 100m, with 80-85m up front, easily achievable add ons and a shorter payment schedule. Whether City or Arsenal fulfil that is a different matter. City don't often get in bidding wars, so to bid an amount that's likely to get rejected/doesn't force other bidders to back down is an interesting move.

Again, given the race between us and Arsenal, they don't know how high both clubs would go in terms of overall numbers and structure. They wouldn't accept less money/worse structure than they could get.

Guess they'll reject our 1st offer, Arsenal will (slightly) improve on it, and we'll go above Arsenal's. And that will be that. Something like 85m plus 12m in add ons.
 
Would buying rice save us buying a defender because stones will slip seamlessly back into defence?
Stones can play RB, for example, so we definitely do not need anyone aside from Gvardiol. Perhaps even if we lose Walker.
 
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