Dedryk Boyata

[southern muppet]

Wherefore means why not where ;)

I think Southampton, Reading, Swansea etc might be good a loan move. No way he should leave permanently - a few months of misuse by Coyle doesn't erase his earlier promise, it just puts us back at square one. Still zero reason to get rid.

Wherefore art thou` Romeo ?
So is Juliet asking why he is a Romeo and not where is he ??
Confused ?? You should be ...

I think so. It was kind of a existential question, or like ''why are you you and why am I me when we could so easily be different people and this wouldn't be a problem?"'

O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo?
Deny thy father and refuse thy name;
Or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love,
And I'll no longer be a Capulet.

 

[Ray78]

His career has stalled at the moment. We should at least assess him in pre season before we decide on what will we do for the best.

 

[Dzeko's Right Boot]

Wow, the snobbishness shown here is unreal.

"We're better than them, they should play our players in their positions."

 

[Andy Conway]

Wherefore means why not where ;)

I think Southampton, Reading, Swansea etc might be good a loan move. No way he should leave permanently - a few months of misuse by Coyle doesn't erase his earlier promise, it just puts us back at square one. Still zero reason to get rid.

Wherefore art thou` Romeo ?
So is Juliet asking why he is a Romeo and not where is he ??
Confused ?? You should be ...

I think so. It was kind of a existential question, or like ''why are you you and why am I me when we could so easily be different people and this wouldn't be a problem?"'

O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo?
Deny thy father and refuse thy name;
Or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love,
And I'll no longer be a Capulet.

It's not an existential question, she's simply complaining that he's got the wrong name / belongs to the wrong family: the one that's at war with hers.

 

[edgecroft]

Wow, the snobbishness shown here is unreal.

"We're better than them, they should play our players in their positions."

It's hardly snobbishness. When you loan someone out, especially a young player, it should be an arrangement that benefits both teams. Bolton get a fine young player, we get that young player with a year of Premier League experience under his belt, without the risk of the consequences of any mistakes he might make.

But if Bolton go ahead and play him out of position, we get nothing out of it. If they keep Weiss on the bench, we get nothing out of that either. In both cases, it's a year wasted.

If they didn't want to use these players, they shouldn't have asked us to loan them to them. Any number of other clubs would have been happy to have them and play them where we intend to use them when we get them back.

If we had loaned Hart to Birmingham and they had played him as a right back, wouldn't we have been within our rights to be severely pissed at them?

Yes we would, so stop having a go at Blues and pretending that your better than them when you're not, you're just missing the point.

 

[Ray78]

Wow, the snobbishness shown here is unreal.

"We're better than them, they should play our players in their positions."

It's hardly snobbishness. When you loan someone out, especially a young player, it should be an arrangement that benefits both teams. Bolton get a fine young player, we get that young player with a year of Premier League experience under his belt, without the risk of the consequences of any mistakes he might make.

But if Bolton go ahead and play him out of position, we get nothing out of it. If they keep Weiss on the bench, we get nothing out of that either. In both cases, it's a year wasted.

If they didn't want to use these players, they shouldn't have asked us to loan them to them. Any number of other clubs would have been happy to have them and play them where we intend to use them when we get them back.

If we had loaned Hart to Birmingham and they had played him as a right back, wouldn't we have been within our rights to be severely pissed at them?

Yes we would, so stop having a go at Blues and pretending that your better than them when you're not, you're just missing the point.

Or Birmingham didn't play Hart at all.

 

[Why Always Ste]

This whole "playing a player out of position" thing and how it relates to the loan being shit for the player is total nonsense....

Many players at a young age have been played "out of position" and gone on to become world class stars in their new position.
or reverted back to their position and become alot better, able to read the game differently and noticing mistakes they regularly did.

It may of been better for Boyata to learn the game from a different part of the pitch?
I don't think his loan was a success but it's not going to be being in defence for a relegated team is it.

 

[wahooblue]

Wow, the snobbishness shown here is unreal.

"We're better than them, they should play our players in their positions."

It's hardly snobbishness. When you loan someone out, especially a young player, it should be an arrangement that benefits both teams. Bolton get a fine young player, we get that young player with a year of Premier League experience under his belt, without the risk of the consequences of any mistakes he might make.

But if Bolton go ahead and play him out of position, we get nothing out of it. If they keep Weiss on the bench, we get nothing out of that either. In both cases, it's a year wasted.

If they didn't want to use these players, they shouldn't have asked us to loan them to them. Any number of other clubs would have been happy to have them and play them where we intend to use them when we get them back.

If we had loaned Hart to Birmingham and they had played him as a right back, wouldn't we have been within our rights to be severely pissed at them?

Yes we would, so stop having a go at Blues and pretending that your better than them when you're not, you're just missing the point.

I frankly think it is more about playing time. 12 appearances for Bolton. 17 for us the season before. If they weren't going to play him, he should have gone elsewhere.

 

[redmizzle]

Come to think of it, I'm fucking glad Bolton went down.

 

[Dzeko's Right Boot]

Wow, the snobbishness shown here is unreal.

"We're better than them, they should play our players in their positions."

It's hardly snobbishness. When you loan someone out, especially a young player, it should be an arrangement that benefits both teams. Bolton get a fine young player, we get that young player with a year of Premier League experience under his belt, without the risk of the consequences of any mistakes he might make.

But if Bolton go ahead and play him out of position, we get nothing out of it. If they keep Weiss on the bench, we get nothing out of that either. In both cases, it's a year wasted.

If they didn't want to use these players, they shouldn't have asked us to loan them to them. Any number of other clubs would have been happy to have them and play them where we intend to use them when we get them back.

If we had loaned Hart to Birmingham and they had played him as a right back, wouldn't we have been within our rights to be severely pissed at them?

Yes we would, so stop having a go at Blues and pretending that your better than them when you're not, you're just missing the point.

Sorry, what? Better than them? At which point in my 20 word post did you deduce that? I was merely pointing out that this mentality is snobbish. When we loan a player out, it's up to that team how they play him. They're clearly not going to do something absurdly ridiculous like play a keeper at right back, that is such a poor example to back up your point. Relying on a loan player can really fuck a team up, so it's not too much of a surprise that they didn't play him all the time. Yes, I'm disappointed Boyata didn't get as much playing time as everyone hoped. But I'm not going round slamming my fist on the table, saying that Bolton should have played him. That is snobby, and a little arrogant.

We've played him at right back a number of times. I think it was against Bolton when he played there and put in a very good performance.