Dianne Abbott

[blueinsa]

"Any leader of a party that deliberately antagonises 16.whatever million voters..."

He would be better off barking and howling at the moon as most remain voters and supporters when reminded that the Lib Dem party offers them what they want dismiss it out of hand.

Cable is an opportunist no mark.

 

[Ban-jani]

He would be better off barking and howling at the moon as most remain voters and supporters when reminded that the Lib Dem party offers them what they want dismiss it out of hand.

Cable is an opportunist no mark.

Completely disagree with the last part. He’s a very good bloke.

The first part is due to fucking idiots treating their political party as a football team.

I think Labour Leave voters would still vote Labour if they suddenly backed another referendum.

 

[blueinsa]

Completely disagree with the last part. He’s a very good bloke.

The first part is due to fucking idiots treating their political party as a football team.

I think Labour Leave voters would still vote Labour if they suddenly backed another referendum.

This labour voter wouldn't!

 

[aguero93:20]

This labour voter wouldn't!

Didn't you say you weren't voting Labour as it stands anyway?
Apologies if I've got you mixed up with someone else.

 

[Henkeman]

His pledge is another referendum, he specifically said on Marr that he would never just cancel Brexit as it’s for the people to now decide as things are clearer.

That is doing him proud, obviously you disagree.

Cable signed up to this. Now he wants another because he doesn't like the outcome. That's opportunism alright.

 

[blueinsa]

Didn't you say you weren't voting Labour as it stands anyway?
Apologies if I've got you mixed up with someone else.

It could well have been me as i have very very little time for Corbyn and most of his front bench.

However free of the EU at the next GE i would then given him my vote to see what if any of his manifesto promises he can deliver as a majority of it i have no real issue with however i feel his promises on taxation of the rich and companies along with workers on boards and shares being given out is a bit pie in the sky.

Thats why Corbyn is a leaver, he knows to have any chance of revolutionising politics in this country he cant ever do it whilst in the EU.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

His pledge is another referendum, he specifically said on Marr that he would never just cancel Brexit as it’s for the people to now decide as things are clearer.

That is doing him proud, obviously you disagree.

Oh that's OK then, as he's so reasonable he'll no doubt accept that this new referendum can also be ignored,
should his side win.
If you talk to Brexit voters, of which there are demonstrably many, I doubt many of them would vote for Vince,
it's stupid to deliberately alienate them, some of whom voted Lib Dem, but that's for the other thread I suppose.

 

[Henkeman]

Thats why Corbyn is a leaver, he knows to have any chance of revolutionising politics in this country he cant ever do it whilst in the EU.

This is exactly right. It's very odd how so many refuse to accept Corbyn's longstanding view on this as though it's just something he needs to clarify.

 

[Ban-jani]

Oh that's OK then, as he's so reasonable he'll no doubt accept that this new referendum can also be ignored,
should his side win.
If you talk to Brexit voters, of which there are demonstrably many of, I doubt many of them would vote for Vince,
it's stupid to deliberately alienate them, some of whom voted Lib Dem, but that's for the other thread I suppose.

He doesn’t give a shit about getting in, that’s why I like him, all he cares about is Brexit and the fact the country was lied to and what we are looking at is very very different to what was said in 2015/2016.

You disagree with that fundamentally and that’s fine but he’s a far more principled person than Corbyn.

 

[Ban-jani]

This labour voter wouldn't!

Some I should have said.

 

[Ban-jani]

Cable signed up to this. Now he wants another because he doesn't like the outcome. That's opportunism alright.

Or maybe he’s changed his mind?

Why do people think others are incapable of realising mistakes and revising them?

 

[Henkeman]

Some I should have said.

It's actually a very interesting question. Because although overall it's probably most Labour supporters were remain, the mathematics of Parliamentary elections means that vast swathes of those London supporters are wasted votes, whereas in the north and midlands, they can ill afford to lose them. Piling on London votes and losing them elsewhere in the country (not to the Tories necessarily, to abstention for example) could be crippling.

 

[Henkeman]

Or maybe he’s changed his mind?

Why do people think others are incapable of realising mistakes and revising them?

Changing his mind because his side lost is not principled.

 

[aguero93:20]

It could well have been me as i have very very little time for Corbyn and most of his front bench.

However free of the EU at the next GE i would then given him my vote to see what if any of his manifesto promises he can deliver as a majority of it i have no real issue with however i feel his promises on taxation of the rich and companies along with workers on boards and shares being given out is a bit pie in the sky.

Thats why Corbyn is a leaver, he knows to have any chance of revolutionising politics in this country he cant ever do it whilst in the EU.

Fair enough, can't agree with you that he'll have much opportunity to make changes that he wouldn't have in the EU but understand the feeling behind it.

 

[Ban-jani]

Changing his mind because his side lost is not principled.

Why would he risk a referendum in the first place if he was going to go against the result anyway?

Makes absolutely no sense.

What he’s done is realise that Leave is far shitter than imagined and has seen the lies spouted, hence why he is for another referendum.

I wasn’t necessarily for one in 2016, I accepted the result and hoped for a good deal but now we know how unbelievably crap it’s going to be and that Leave campaigns extensively lied and also cheated, I now believe we have to decide for sure before crushing the economy.

 

[squirtyflower]

He spoke extremely well on Windrush. The trouble is he repeatedly tweets racist stuff himself - most recently with one describing Rod Liddle (who is an idiot) as "the walking, living, breathing personification and definition of white middle class privilege".

Calling someone ‘white’ is not racist as white is not a race.
However black is also not a race but calling someone ‘black’ is racist.

 

[Henkeman]

Why would he risk a referendum in the first place if he was going to go against the result anyway?

Makes absolutely no sense.

What he’s done is realise that Leave is far shitter than imagined and has seen the lies spouted, hence why he is for another referendum.

I wasn’t necessarily for one in 2016, I accepted the result and hoped for a good deal but now we know how unbelievably crap it’s going to be and that Leave campaigns extensively lied and also cheated, I now believe we have to decide for sure before crushing the economy.

Had it gone the other way, there's no chance you'd have wanted another referendum. Like it or not, it's purely and simply because your side lost, however you rationalise it to yourself.

 

[Henkeman]

Calling someone ‘white’ is not racist as white is not a race.
However black is also not a race but calling someone ‘black’ is racist.

The law does not distinguish between the two. If one is racist, so is the other. Or neither. But it cannot be only one.

 

[Ban-jani]

Had it gone the other way, there's no chance you'd have wanted another referendum. Like it or not, it's purely and simply because your side lost, however you rationalise it to yourself.

You’ve just ignored half my post.

If it became clear remain had lied (to the degree Leave did) and cheated and that remaining turned out to be just as destructive to our economy and was leaving us with no say internationally...

I’d 100% want to vote again.

The “because you lost” argument is incredibly poor. It’s not a sporting event, you lose if I lose.

Anyway I’ve already been blocked from the Brexit thread because a Leaver called me a dick head and I’ve for some reason been punished for it so let’s get back on topic.

 

[Henkeman]

You’ve just ignored half my post.

If it became clear remain had lied (to the degree Leave did) and cheated and that remaining turned out to be just as destructive to our economy and was leaving us with no say internationally...

I’d 100% want to vote again.

The “because you lost” argument is incredibly poor. It’s not a sporting event, you lose if I lose.

Anyway I’ve already been blocked from the Brexit thread because a Leaver called me a dick head and I’ve for some reason been punished for it so let’s get back on topic.

I ignored it because it's just trying to rationalise the main reason. But you're right, let's get back to the topic.