Did we miss Barry?

Overrun in midfield tonight. BUT....

Barry needed a rest badly and we got the 3 points so a good thing overall hopefully back at his best now vs Burnley.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Boff said:
we scored 3 and kept a clean sheet, so I'd like to know in which areas you all think Barry would have improved this result?
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In the fact that we were fucking awful until they went down to ten men.

That area.
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would you take that result every game?, I know I would.
 
Pick a pass, yes, but to pick and choose when the pass goes to our man is not acceptable for where we want to be, and IMO Pat's passing was fairly shite tonight.

NDJ had a quietun for his standards, is that a bad thing?
 
Rammy Blue said:
Didsbury Dave said:
How many times can a poster contradict themselves in one post?

Fair play mate, you just took the record.

But you didn't really. Someone else did. Except they didn't really because you did. Well you would have done if they hadn;t have done.

No, you did really.

Not.
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Best post in a long time, top draw Dave.

Vieira, "captain of France", fuck me, so off the pace it was untrue HOWEVER the ability to pick a pass which is why he was kept on.

To be honest i think it is fair to say that i am still not sure if NDJ was on the pitch?

at least pat looked bad because he was involved, i swear i didn't see nige touch the ball.....
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They were both bloody awful, sat on the edge of our box, totally isolated and outnumbered. They were the reason the first half was so bad.

It isn't their fault particularly. Vieira is past it. De Jong can play as holding midfielder as long as he has good players around him. Tonight he didn't.

There was a huge gap - AGAIN!!!! - between midfield and attack. We were better second half to be fair but until the sending off I could see a disastrous draw coming.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Rammy Blue said:
Best post in a long time, top draw Dave.

Vieira, "captain of France", fuck me, so off the pace it was untrue HOWEVER the ability to pick a pass which is why he was kept on.

To be honest i think it is fair to say that i am still not sure if NDJ was on the pitch?

at least pat looked bad because he was involved, i swear i didn't see nige touch the ball.....
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They were both bloody awful, sat on the edge of our box, totally isolated and outnumbered. They were the reason the first half was so bad.

It isn't their fault particularly. Vieira is past it. De Jong can play as holding midfielder as long as he has good players around him. Tonight he didn't.

There was a huge gap - AGAIN!!!! - between midfield and attack. We were better second half to be fair but until the sending off I could see a disastrous draw coming.
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Correct, badly need a midfielder who can run past the ball
 
Boff said:
Didsbury Dave said:
In the fact that we were fucking awful until they went down to ten men.

That area.
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would you take that result every game?, I know I would.
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Of course I would. But performanances like that against Man United, Villa, Spurs and Arsenal will result in Nul points.
 
Big G said:
Pick a pass, yes, but to pick and choose when the pass goes to our man is not acceptable for where we want to be, and IMO Pat's passing was fairly shite tonight.

NDJ had a quietun for his standards, is that a bad thing?
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take it that post was meant for me.

pick a pass that led to first goal is what matters, bob was ready to take him off for barry but left him on hoping he would find a defence splitting pass, he did and the rest is history.

when exactly was the last time barry found one?

ndj was non-existent, of course it's a bad thing when you are playing a shite team at home.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Boff said:
would you take that result every game?, I know I would.
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Of course I would. But performanances like that against Man United, Villa, Spurs and Arsenal will result in Nul points.
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you're right, hopefully Barry's rest will do us good
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Rammy Blue said:
Best post in a long time, top draw Dave.

Vieira, "captain of France", fuck me, so off the pace it was untrue HOWEVER the ability to pick a pass which is why he was kept on.

To be honest i think it is fair to say that i am still not sure if NDJ was on the pitch?

at least pat looked bad because he was involved, i swear i didn't see nige touch the ball.....
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They were both bloody awful, sat on the edge of our box, totally isolated and outnumbered. They were the reason the first half was so bad.

It isn't their fault particularly. Vieira is past it. De Jong can play as holding midfielder as long as he has good players around him. Tonight he didn't.

There was a huge gap - AGAIN!!!! - between midfield and attack. We were better second half to be fair but until the sending off I could see a disastrous draw coming.
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You know me mate, I have said it for weeks that you can't judge Bob or pick faults with formation when our central midfield is so, so poor - it's not Bob's fault we failed in Jan to strengthen as he wished.

The options are so limited, Barry needed a rest and got one, Bob could only bring Sylvia on as another midfielder and he would get crucified if that one came back to haunt him.

Bob knew Pat was hopeless but he gambled and got it right that Pat would thread a ball, I am behind Bob and he was toying with bringing Barry on for Pat but fair play he waited and got proved correct.

Pat for me should just play second half's when the opposition have tired.
 
Boff said:
we scored 3 and kept a clean sheet, so I'd like to know in which areas you all think Barry would have improved this result?
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With better passing we'd have doubled that.
 
We missed him big time. They're was a massive gap between Back 4, Nigel + Vieira and AJ, SWP, Ade + Tev. This is where Barry would have been. Also Vieira is awful and couldn't pass wind so we doubley missed him.

He did need a rest though and we got the 3 points so it's all good. Has to come back into the side though.
 
We definitely missed Barry. Yes he needed a break and yes we got the points. I thought our midfield was shite. Pick a pass? Vieira may have played one or tow delicate little chips over the top but he couldn't hit a barn door with a simple pass and doesn't even get to a ball over two yards let alone 10. I have no problem with the gamble wee took on him, but he mustn['t start anymore games. He may offer something coming off the bench.

We have to have NDJ/Barry/Ireland as our main men and surely we can pick a formation that works.
 
It's strange how we see things differently.
Viera is certainly not the player he was, lost his pace and does look laboured but there's still vision there and footballing intelligence.
For me, it's De jong who's the bigger problem, the guy brings absolutely nothing to the table. People go on about our supposedly 'world class holding midfielder' when in reality he's an extremely limited immobile player who's only usage would be in a midfield five when playing for a draw.
Barry and Viera/Ireland for me in a 4-4-2 for the remaing games. De Jong, alongside SWP shouldn't be near our first team.
 
Barry hasnt ripped up trees this season but last night was proof if any was needed that he is our best central midfielder.

What concerns me is how almost every week someone in the oppositions midfield stands out against ours no matter how poor the opposition are. I think we have the slowest midfield in the Prem.
 
We got away with Pat last night and we´re fortunate that Barry has had a rest - straight swap on Sat - Ireland if fit, to come into a 5 man mid with Tevez up front on his own
 
Upto about 65 mins his presence had been sorely missed. What he would have done, and what he would have contributed, is unclear to me, but I did miss the general presence.

Does Vieira have a clause in the contract that exludes making any physical contact with any members of the opposition. He ducked out of more tackles last night than I've seen for a long time.
 
blue_paul said:
It's strange how we see things differently.
Viera is certainly not the player he was, lost his pace and does look laboured but there's still vision there and footballing intelligence.
For me, it's De jong who's the bigger problem, the guy brings absolutely nothing to the table. People go on about our supposedly 'world class holding midfielder' when in reality he's an extremely limited immobile player who's only usage would be in a midfield five when playing for a draw.
Barry and Viera/Ireland for me in a 4-4-2 for the remaing games. De Jong, alongside SWP shouldn't be near our first team.
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In total agreement, Barry & Vieria are not barn storming marauding midfielders but they bring some posetive contribution to the team going forward. De Jong seems to have very little ability, slow and one has to ask how much attacking play does he manage to stop seeing as the pitch is 50 times wider than him, no player can be so one dimensional and be of any use. He stops more of our attacks than the opposition's! He seems immune to criticism but as far as I can see he's the problem.
 
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