Whilst The Dippers don't rely on corners, they are nevertheless very dangerous from them with VVD and Konate more often than not getting a dangerous headers from a good delivery. They played Athletico a few weeks ago and they had them under siege from corners
MadnessJust clear all our players out of the box and make space for Donnarumma to come and deal with it. It'd make it clearer when he gets fouled, and also increase chances of offsides from flicks etc too. Might be madness, I'd like to see it tried though (maybe by a different team first if all!).
we have started taking bit quicker but always goes backEven our short throws are crap
I’ve often thought that if defenders at corners are constantly fouling, the attacking team should:I hate it all, I almost think if it carries on like this there will be rule changes at some point, though I'm not sure what. Maybe limiting the number of attacking players in the 6 yard box or something.
Thinking about the long throws, I'd be tempted to try something different when defending them.
Just clear all our players out of the box and make space for Donnarumma to come and deal with it. It'd make it clearer when he gets fouled, and also increase chances of offsides from flicks etc too. Might be madness, I'd like to see it tried though (maybe by a different team first if all!).
Donna has made a huge difference. We were good at set pieces in the treble season. We have generally got worse thoughOne of the things that keeps coming to my mind is this new Setpiece coach we've recruited in the summer. He must be lying awake at night. We haven't scored from a corner or free kick (I don't think) and we look shaky at times when defending them.
Prior to Sunday we hadn't conceded from a set piece either. We aren't optimal for set pieces preferring technical play and suspect a bulk of our training is for patterns of play & pressing.
I feel the key aspects with attacking set pieces now is you can afford to be extremely aggressive with physical contact (defenders clearly can't) and lack of time enforcement - simply do a bit of pushing & shoving and the referee has to stop the restart hence no time wasting. Brentford averaging 55 seconds to put the ball back in play for a long throw, so that's up to 10 minutes of match time wasted watching a bloke dry the ball. Goal kicks used as attacking set pieces has been common for a while.
The PL runs the risk of becoming a miserable watch with most teams playing counter attack and hoping for set pieces. Let alone the sitting on the floor and time outs most teams use now too.
I'd like to see the 8 second rule extended across all ball out of play scenarios, even if it was extended to 15 seconds.
Some of our corners are woeful. Every successful corner routine depends on an accurate delivery to a target - look at the corners Arsenal take. We just don't seem to be able to do that despite our technical players.
Can you do both? My sense is that to do what Arsenal do would require hour upon hour of practise.We could play our technical football and emulate Arsenal's set piece routines. I don't see why you can't do both.
Alternatively we could just save some money and sack our set piece coach.
I’ve often thought that if defenders at corners are constantly fouling, the attacking team should:
1. Stand totally still as the ball comes across
2. Have one man make a run against the major fouler but don’t fight off the foul.
3. Claim the obvious penalty.
Yes, I’m full of nutty ideas, good job I’m not a coach.
One of the things that keeps coming to my mind is this new Setpiece coach we've recruited in the summer. He must be lying awake at night. We haven't scored from a corner or free kick (I don't think) and we look shaky at times when defending them.
There is a reason. Training time is scarce.There is no reason why we shouldn't utilise every method available, we're not in a position at the moment to pick and choose how we score goals, if you win 1-0 with a goal from a corner or 1-0 from a move with 36 passes, it's still only 3 points and a +1 GD.
On a side note which I alluded to in the Villa match thread - I see the problem now as not having dependable players, what I mean by that, during the treble season and basically most of the earlier Pep years, we had players that would do the right thing at the right time 95% (or more) of the time, now we have players that you hope are going to beat a man, hoping to get a cross in, players that you hope put the right pass through or hope put the tackle in - previously you knew that they were going to do the right thing, and that's the difference.
Pep probably wants to spend what time we have playing football as he knows it.Makes you wonder just what these two ex dippers coaches are doing ? Or is Pep just over ruling them to keep the slow build up play ?
Jesus says hiAnd Marmoush negates his speed by being offside every single time he makes a forward run....
Good post mate. I agree with the substance, I don't like it either but unfortunately I believe more and more teams will go down that route and until the officials take a consistent approach to stop it then it will continue to grow. I guess I'm questioning why we have a set piece coach if we don't have time to practice set pieces - there has to be a happy medium. Is there nobody in the team that can deliver an inswinging corner at pace into the most dangerous areas. It would seem not and you have to question why not? I don't believe it is all or nothing or that we have to go the way of blocks/fouls on goalkeepers (bet you we would be penalised anyway). But at least good delivery into the right areas would increase our chances of scoring either at first contact or at second. At the moment when we win a corner I think the opposition now have a chance of a breakaway. When we get a throw-in I inwardly cringe at our inability to find a man quickly and accurately. Its poor and indefensible in an environment where small margins are the difference between success and failure.Can you do both? My sense is that to do what Arsenal do would require hour upon hour of practise.
Also, I do not like that football. I want to win, and I want to score goals, but I don't want to do it by cheating. IMO what Arsenal do, and others, is skullduggery and bending the rules. I don't like all this obstructing the ref, blocking-off defenders, wrestling, fleeting shirt-pulling, arms around the waist etc. I want to see goals like the one Villa scored at Spurs with that acrobatic long pass by Cash. I do want to see a City central defender ramming the ball home at a corner but I want to see the return of Pep's old City. That football accords with my values. I would prefer to think of Pep working on the training ground concentrating on football routines. Long ball football, route 1 stuff might work at times, and Arsenal is proof it works. But PSG's football also works. I do think you work on one or the other.
Yep, people bang on about height but it's the desire to get on the end of a cross or corner that makes all the difference.Thing about the corners, you have to have the desire to win the ball that comes in...judging by our half hearted attempts, I'm not sure we do. We dont like it up us in any way shape or form.