Discontent that will end the Tory Govt is coming

[halfmist]

Does it not feel like Labour are held to a higher standard Halfmist? Seems to me that Labour are under continual pressure to prove they're up to the job and won't wreck the country, when in reality Labour's track record is actually pretty good.

It's amazing how many people hark back to Jim Callaghan as proof that Labour will wreck the country, forgetting the 13 years of Blair and Brown which were far better than the last 12 years, and for much of the country, including Greater Manchester, far better than the Thatcher and Major years.

When Cameron was elected into 2010 I don't remember any clamour for big ideas from the Tories. The message was pretty much 'Labour has wrecked the economy (if you believed that) and we're ready to take over again'.

I think the reason why Labour are perceived to keep schtum about policies is because a) the press has a Tory bias and doesn't report them b) ideas that are reported are either ripped apart or stolen by the Tories.

Not sure I can agree in total with you regarding Labours post war track record but certainly during the Blair years yes I can agree they did a good job and won a second term.
However it was mainly due to centrist policies adopted by Labour during their modernisation era.
The majority on this site are on the left and they want to see the Party adopt left wing policies and are not interested in moderation.
My main point in all my posts is and will continue to be, that who ever is in power down at voter level they will notice very little change and those who think differently are going to be disappointed.
Yes, there may be some tweaking on ideological grounds to try and put a bit of distance from the opposition but that's as far as they will get in a term.
Labour are aware if they do anything too radical they will be booted out.
The best thing they can do come Election time is make sure the rent a mob brigade which seems to be formed at every Election and arrive at every Tory gathering with their placards are kept well out of the limelight.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Sit down with Unions, sort taxes out, arresting the decline in society are just words, politicians speak, not specific policies that one could say yes, if we did that a specific problem would be solved.

It’s OK, you’ll find your own reason to vote the way you want, mate.

 

[halfmist]

It’s OK, you’ll find your own reason to vote the way you want, mate.

That's it in a nutshell.
Nobody will change my mind and I can safely say without fear of contradiction I won't change anyone else's on this forum.
For what its worth, I don't trust any of them and I would probably feel more comfortable if we were governed by a Technocracy with a remit to protect the most vulnerable in Society

 

[Phil1]

Nice to see Richie Rich back to tell all the plebs that they should be happy with their lot! Haha!

 

[halfmist]

Nice to see Richie Rich back to tell all the plebs that they should be happy with their lot! Haha!

Awe that's very sweet, I am glad you remember me.
You have got to admit the forum can become a little bit boring when you are all singing from the same hymn sheet so it needs an alternative view every now and again to keep the thread fresh.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

That's it in a nutshell.
Nobody will change my mind and I can safely say without fear of contradiction I won't change anyone else's on this forum.
For what its worth, I don't trust any of them and I would probably feel more comfortable if we were governed by a Technocracy with a remit to protect the most vulnerable in Society

Current government are only one word away from doing what you suggest in your last sentence.
It’s just that their remit changes the word most for the word least..

 

[paulchapo]

In my lifetime I can't remember a worse couple of terms of office by any party.

 

[lust overlord]

In my lifetime I can't remember a worse couple of terms of office by any party.

It's the callousness and the lies that get on my tits,even more than the incompetence does.

 

[Phil1]

Awe that's very sweet, I am glad you remember me.
You have got to admit the forum can become a little bit boring when you are all singing from the same hymn sheet so it needs an alternative view every now and again to keep the thread fresh.

I think it says a lot that so many are singing from the same hymn sheet. It kinda gives you a teens weeny bit of hope that all is not lost.
For what it’s worth I’ve no issue with anybody voting Tory per se, everyone has their own set of circumstances that mean they will choose the political party that suits them. My issue is with those who have witnessed the shitshow this lot have offered up in recent years and refuse to hold them to account, or worse still defend some of their abhorrent actions.
Being a shadow government can be a bit of an easy ride and there’s no guarantees Labour will make the country magically better overnight but they have to be worth a shot, they seriously can’t be as bad as the current group of bad faith chancers.

 

[halfmist]

I think it says a lot that so many are singing from the same hymn sheet. It kinda gives you a teens weeny bit of hope that all is not lost.
For what it’s worth I’ve no issue with anybody voting Tory per se, everyone has their own set of circumstances that mean they will choose the political party that suits them. My issue is with those who have witnessed the shitshow this lot have offered up in recent years and refuse to hold them to account, or worse still defend some of their abhorrent actions.
Being a shadow government can be a bit of an easy ride and there’s no guarantees Labour will make the country magically better overnight but they have to be worth a shot, they seriously can’t be as bad as the current group of bad faith chancers.

Other than your first sentence, I think we can safely say the politics sub forum is not a fair refection of Society, its hard to argue against your other points.
We are in the shit for a multitude of reasons and yes, the book stops with the current ruling Party because they are the only ones who can do anything about it..
I just havn't seen enough concrete proposals from the Opposition that they have workable solutions to turn things around.
Obviously time will tell and I will be happy to be proved wrong if there are substantial changes for the better.