Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2015/16

[TCIB]

He could not do it all match no, i think the idea of doing more than letting him advance a bit later in a match though is worth a thought.
This would include your idea of giving him bench time and bringing him on later etc etc.

I would not be personally bothered if we carry on as we are with him but the idea we may coax even more out of him is a nice thought.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

I think Yaya would now be perfect as an NFL style "use him when you need him" style substitution, at the moment it takes 75 minutes of the opposition running their arses into the ground for Yaya's strolling around to take effect and him be able to make an impression.

He's a super-sub.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Watch the Sevilla away game for the template for how Yaya should be used in the big games away from home. Our standout away performance of the season so far, with no Silva, KDB, or Aguero if my memory serves.

That's the one I'm talking about as the 433. He played slightly ahead of the holding/pivot midfielder ( Fernando?) as one of the 3. That brought the best in him but restricts other players.

 

[TCIB]

I think Yaya would now be perfect as an NFL style "use him when you need him" style substitution, at the moment it takes 75 minutes of the opposition running their arses into the ground for Yaya's strolling around to take effect and him be able to make an impression.

He's a super-sub.

I did not want to use that term but in a way yeah. We would need Yaya though to accept he can't hog a spot though and be prepared to sometimes come of the bench.
Even with him having been a bit childish in the past i would like to think he can man up to that if it came to it. A sharp advanced Yaya against a less than fresh defence could only be good for us.

Edit: sorry for offtopic, kinda got away with myself, off to the Yaya thread :-)

 

[The Richard Wright Fan Club]

Oh fuck off you sad ****.

Have you been on the booze with @goatersnipple ?

 

[hgblue]

That's the one I'm talking about as the 433. He played slightly ahead of the holding/pivot midfielder ( Fernando?) as one of the 3. That brought the best in him but restricts other players.

I thought we were brilliant that night, and Yaya was at the heart of everything. It also gave Fernandinho license to get forward and offered some protection to our soft centre. We also looked frightening on the break with pace and power out wide. I'm disappointed we haven't persevered with it because I think there were definite signs of an away system with great potential.

 

[Rammy Blue]

what?!?!?!? Alternate yaya and silva behind the striker? Silva is ten times the threat that YaYa is and is first name m the team sheet of anyone with half a football brain. Yaya can't play behind the striker any more because his legs are going, and he can't play at the back of the midfield because he isn't mobile enough. He seems to fancy himself as one of these 'quarterback', deep lying playmakers as he gets older, but he just keeps giving the ball back to his centre halves. He tries having the odd burst later in games when the opposition are tiring, which illustrates to me that this is a management plan worked out with him. And he's getting some goals doing it.

But to me, if we put him on the bench for the harder games we might not need to keep chasing games. He can slot into the 433 we have used occasionally away from home, but we have to stop playing him like we are doing in games like Saturday's.

Yeah, I see it the same way mate. He is definitely our biggest problem at the moment and the reason we are so pedestrian at moving the ball through the phases. However those moments of magic are worth their weight on gold.

 

[goatersnipple]

Have you been on the booze with @goatersnipple ?

Haha belter.
Cheers mate

 

[bluetev]

what?!?!?!? Alternate yaya and silva behind the striker? Silva is ten times the threat that YaYa is and is first name m the team sheet of anyone with half a football brain. Yaya can't play behind the striker any more because his legs are going, and he can't play at the back of the midfield because he isn't mobile enough. He seems to fancy himself as one of these 'quarterback', deep lying playmakers as he gets older, but he just keeps giving the ball back to his centre halves. He tries having the odd burst later in games when the opposition are tiring, which illustrates to me that this is a management plan worked out with him. And he's getting some goals doing it.

But to me, if we put him on the bench for the harder games we might not need to keep chasing games. He can slot into the 433 we have used occasionally away from home, but we have to stop playing him like we are doing in games like Saturday's.

Well, I would agree that yaya should be used as a 30 minute impact player in most games, rather than being somewhat unfairly being asked to play full games (when he clearly cannot cope any more) but I am not counting that as an option because expecting MP to do that is as absurd as expecting fairies to deliver a large bag full of cash next to me when I am asleep.

I suggested alternating with silva because he looks tired as well, but not in the same format, Yaya in the seville 4-3-3 as others have suggested, silva in a more free and roaming role in a 4-2-3-1.

 

[Paul_Powers_Tash]

This happened under Mancini a fiery confrontational man who would have had a fist fight with any of the players. The exact opposite of pellegrini.
So to insinuate this is just Pellegrini's fault is just rubbish. Sooner or later you have to look at more details than "the manager is shit" type stuff.
We have had two totally different mentality's and got the same apathy after x time. To disregard the players themselves knowing this is just poor reasoning.

I don't recall ever saying the manager is shit. What I have said is that Pellegrini consistently fails to get the most out of the group he has as evidenced by the shocking fact that until yesterday we hadn't won an away game in the Premier League since the 12th September. If you don't think it's the managers responsibility to decide how we prepare for a game, the way we train, the tactics we employ, the system we select, the players chosen to execute the plan and the steps taken when that execution or plan fails to ensure it doesn't happen next time, then I don't know what else to say to you.