JoeMercer'sWay
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nope.
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Discussion: Txiki Begiristain (2014/15)
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nope.
He most certainly is.he's not wrong about the amount spent.
JoeMercer'sWay
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He most certainly is.
2011-12 onwards:
Sergio Aguero-£38m.
Samir Nasri-£24m.
Stefan Savic-£6m.
Gael Clichy-£7m.
Costel Pantilimon-£3m.
Rodwell-£12m.
Sinclair-£6m.
Maicon-£3m.
Javi Garcia-£16m.
Nastasic-£12m.
Fernandinho-£30m.
Jesus Navas-£14.9m.
Alvaro Negredo-£20m.
Stevan Jovetic-£22m.
Martin Demichelis-£4m.
Fernando-£12m.
Caballero-£4.4m.
Zuculini-£1.5m.
Mangala-£32m.
Bony-£25m.
Total: £292.8m.
He's said £300m to supplement Mancini's squad. Aguero, Nasri etc were already in Mancini's squad so why are we including their transfer fee? As the key point in the article is criticism of Txiki who joined in 2012, why are 2011 signings relevant at all?2011-12 onwards:
Sergio Aguero-£38m.
Samir Nasri-£24m.
Stefan Savic-£6m.
Gael Clichy-£7m.
Costel Pantilimon-£3m.
Rodwell-£12m.
Sinclair-£6m.
Maicon-£3m.
Javi Garcia-£16m.
Nastasic-£12m.
Fernandinho-£30m.
Jesus Navas-£14.9m.
Alvaro Negredo-£20m.
Stevan Jovetic-£22m.
Martin Demichelis-£4m.
Fernando-£12m.
Caballero-£4.4m.
Zuculini-£1.5m.
Mangala-£32m.
Bony-£25m.
Total: £292.8m.
It all comes from an article by Ogden (I think) saying we had spent £300m since our 11/12 title, but his figures included players bought in the summer of 2011 (like Aguero).
It's just dishonest, but gets repeated by journos and fans unable to do their own research.
JoeMercer'sWay
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He's said £300m to supplement Mancini's squad. Aguero, Nasri etc were already in Mancini's squad so why are we including their transfer fee? As the key point in the article is criticism of Txiki who joined in 2012, why are 2011 signings relevant at all?
It all comes from an article by Ogden (I think) saying we had spent £300m since our 11/12 title, but his figures included players bought in the summer of 2011 (like Aguero).
It's just dishonest, but gets repeated by journos and fans unable to do their own research.
I went off your post, so I'm not being dishonest, or going off any Ogden or Keys figure or post.
One incompetent journalist (I'm being kind) puts out a mistruth like the £300m spent since 11/12 and it becomes fact.
If you'd said "since Mancini sacked" I'd have agreed, you said since 2011/12 and so I went with the above figures which aren't far off £300m.
Not sure how you can bundle the 11/12 transfers into a figure of "since 11/12", to me that implies that you don't include that season (which they shouldn't, if the point is about money spent building on the success of that first title). It's deliberately misleading, which is pretty much what football journalists love to be when they ar biased cocroaches like Ogden.
JoeMercer'sWay
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whereas you said since 2011/12, and I wasn't wrong ;p.I was talking about Ogden being dishonest. He said since the title win, and included fees for Aguero/Nasri.
Keys taked about supplementing Mancinis squad and used the same £300m figure.
They are both well and truly wrong.
Not sure how you can bundle the 11/12 transfers into a figure of "since 11/12", to me that implies that you don't include that season (which they shouldn't, if the point is about money spent building on the success of that first title). It's deliberately misleading, which is pretty much what football journalists love to be when they ar biased cocroaches like Ogden.
not really, since is an open term, it can mean since the start of 2011/12, or since the end of the window, it's not deliberately misleading, at least on my part.
Open terms are pretty much the standard for being deliberately misleading. I'm not accusing you of being misleading, but journalists who use it to say we haven't spent well to build on our title win are using it in an intentionally misleading way. (bundling our 11/12 transfers in with our transfers since doesn't make any sense to me in general, as they don't have much in common and their is no logical reason to draw the line there)whereas you said since 2011/12, and I wasn't wrong ;p.
not really, since is an open term, it can mean since the start of 2011/12, or since the end of the window, it's not deliberately misleading, at least on my part.
JoeMercer'sWay
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Open terms are pretty much the standard for being deliberately misleading. I'm not accusing you of being misleading, but journalists who use it to say we haven't spent well to build on our title win are using it in an intentionally misleading way. (bundling our 11/12 transfers in with our transfers since doesn't make any sense to me in general, as they don't have much in common and their is no logical reason to draw the line there)
Well I was replying to Moomba, not making any point about our spending, or any of our staff. As those who read my posts will know, I'm firmly in the pro-Txiki camp, and pro-"Barca boys" camp.
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