Dispatches/Sunday Times investigation: Russell Brand accused of rape and sexual assault

People have lost jobs or job opportunities for the character they display on twitter. Some have lost (and won) elections. Bernardo got a few games ban for a misjudged tweet. Deserved or not, it is not exactly consequence free.
Again -- that's not specific to Twitter though, or social media. The discussion stemmed from whether Twitter specifically was an echo-chamber and why. But I also didn't know the consequence differential for expressing a view on the platform between there and here.
 
Because I found it a strange comment. In isolation, at least. Not everyone does, hence I asked.
I don’t believe Brand has had his human rights infringed in any way. He’s not been locked up without trial. Simply one social media company has de-monetised his channel pending an investigation as is their right.

He’s still free to post on that platform. He’s still free to use any platform (that will have him) he likes to make a living.
 
Again -- that's not specific to Twitter though, or social media. The discussion stemmed from whether Twitter specifically was an echo-chamber and why. But I also didn't know the consequence differential for expressing a view on the platform between there and here.

If there are consequences for writing something on twitter, than it is not consequence free.

I'm not sure why we are arguing that.

What the consequences are for doing it elsewhere are irrelevant. It is not a consequence free platform.
 
I don’t believe Brand has had his human rights infringed in any way. He’s not been locked up without trial. Simply one social media company has de-monetised his channel pending an investigation as is their right.

He’s still free to post on that platform. He’s still free to use any platform (that will have him) he likes to make a living.

I agree.

Your post I responded to was written without that and in isolation. It wasn't in response to anyone claiming the above. So I simply asked where you stood there, as frankly it would have surprised me if you thought otherwise.
 
If there are consequences for writing something on twitter, than it is not consequence free.

I'm not sure why we are arguing that.

What the consequences are for doing it elsewhere are irrelevant. It is not a consequence free platform.
It’s a bit of a moot argument anyway.

With free speech comes responsibility.

If someone posts stuff deemed over the threshold, they will face consequences, wherever they write it.

I‘d like to assume that we all think that some people have gone too far. The only grey area is where the line in the sand is.
 
If there are consequences for writing something on twitter, than it is not consequence free.

I'm not sure why we are arguing that.

What the consequences are for doing it elsewhere are irrelevant. It is not a consequence free platform.
We aren't arguing -- see above. I meant consequences for trolling and gaslighting, not for just posting.
 
I don’t believe Brand has had his human rights infringed in any way. He’s not been locked up without trial. Simply one social media company has de-monetised his channel pending an investigation as is their right.

He’s still free to post on that platform. He’s still free to use any platform (that will have him) he likes to make a living.

Apologies, it was actually in response to a post and part of a chain, and not an isolated remark, having checked back. Fml.
 
This has to be a contender for bad take of the century.

Funny how ‘mainstream media’ is a term exclusively used by utter cunts and morons.
A year, two ago, I felt strongly as you do. But it's right to be extremely cautious and cynical over trial by media and all other forms of justice. It's what parents and others went to great pains to teach me.

If you lower the bar, you decrease your own rights, and those of all other people. If you lower the bar with political aims, opponents always make capital of the atmosphere of lowered expectations and will quickly show you how ignoring convention and so forth plays even better for them.

I'm not sure how long it takes people to twig. What has happened in the last decade? Are we "winning"? Or seeing problems get worse.

Sell yourself false hope, hype up the false symbolic victories that not enough people believe in, or pay attentiion to. Give in, and lose the war.
 
A year, two ago, I felt strongly as you do. But it's right to be extremely cautious and cynical over trial by media and all other forms of justice. It's what parents and others went to great pains to teach me.

If you lower the bar, you decrease your own rights, and those of all other people. If you lower the bar with political aims, opponents always make capital of the atmosphere of lowered expectations and will quickly show you how ignoring convention and so forth plays even better for them.

I'm not sure how long it takes people to twig. What has happened in the last decade? Are we "winning"? Or seeing problems get worse.

Sell yourself false hope, hype up the false symbolic victories that not enough people believe in, or pay attentiion to. Give in, and lose the war.
Panorama, World in Action and other investigative journalistic programmes used to end careers before social media.

People just tutted about it at home. They didn’t have the ability to respond in real-time via social media.
 

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