Dispatches/Sunday Times investigation: Russell Brand accused of rape and sexual assault

[mancity2012_eamo]

And for clarity, it wasn't your posts that I was referring to.

Still, the "default position of innocent until proven guilty" only refers to legal guilt.

My argument is that too many people hide behind that, and will insist that someone is innocent until they've been proved guilty in court. That's not true.

We had this with the Mendy case - where plenty of people couldn't understand why the women weren't being prosecuted as Mendy wasn't found guilty. His guilt didn't mean they were all lying. The burden of proof in a criminal court case is a very high bar, for very good reasons - most democracies have decided that they would rather guilty people go free, than innocent people go to jail.

I’m sure guilty people do go free.
I think it is better that no innocent person goes to gaol because they couldn’t prove their innocence.

That has also happened despite the law as it stands.

 

[SebastianBlue]

All still going on unabated is my bet mate, there are enough people in fact most people who work in the industry to be complicit in turning a blind eye.

Maybe they all have different moral values compared to the rest of the public?

And, because of that, authorities have not been put under public pressure to investigate their terrible actions…

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

These women are scared of Brand. Hence they are keeping their anonymity. This rules out their motive being money.

Fuck sake, slow down.

 

[mexico1970]

And, because of that, authorities have not been put under public pressure to investigate their terrible actions…

I just think it's shocking mate, someone somewhere should have said something sooner he's an obvious monster.

Thankfully their careers are now intact because someone mentioned it first.

 

[kaz7]

It's fucking shit isn't it? Taking away the fact it's bloody hard when it's just one persons word against another it can also be the piss poor sentencing even when rapists get found guilty in some cases.

All that being said where are the powerful in the loop celebrities including the females watching this happening and saying the sum total of nothing, I mean sending cars to secondary schools to pick up victims?

And nobody said anything?

I think big celebrities are protected and they are cash cows for the broadcasters so a cover up is what they do , hoping it never comes to light as it reflects badly on them , i hope many more are exposed

 

[Coatigan]

But the law gives Brand that exact same opportunity now too, he can sue Channel 4 and the times for defamation if he chooses to.

Not everything is decided in a court, and more so not a criminal court.

Sure.

Why is it so important to you that I come to agree with your stance, out of interest?

 

[SebastianBlue]

It's fucking shit isn't it? Taking away the fact it's bloody hard when it's just one persons word against another it can also be the piss poor sentencing even when rapists get found guilty in some cases.

All that being said where are the powerful in the loop celebrities including the females watching this happening and saying the sum total of nothing, I mean sending cars to secondary schools to pick up victims?

And nobody said anything?

Many are afraid of the consequences of doing so.

As much as many men will claim “society is against!!!”, culture at large is still very much shaped (and in some cases, literally controlled) by men perspective, which includes the sort of responses we see in here from men “just asking questions” and reactions on the internet attacking the women coming forward, including trying to dox them so they can be harassed and intimidated.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It's fucking shit isn't it? Taking away the fact it's bloody hard when it's just one persons word against another it can also be the piss poor sentencing even when rapists get found guilty in some cases.

Have you got any recent examples of these low sentences for rape?

 

[mexico1970]

I think big celebrities are protected and they are cash cows for the broadcasters so a cover up is what they do , hoping it never comes to light as it reflects badly on them , i hope many more are exposed

It should be a culture that should be accepted as fact, you don't have sex with people who don't want to have sex with you period.

Judging by the silence it looks like it's not all happy smiling caring cunts it's more like a scene from the hammer house of horror film about vampires.

Clear the lot of them out they are obviously up to no good.

 

[mexico1970]

Have you got any recent examples of these low sentences for rape?

My son gave evidence in a rape case and the person got 7 years, he'll be out soon after doing nowhere near 7.

I consider 7 years a low sentence.