Dispatches/Sunday Times investigation: Russell Brand accused of rape and sexual assault

[Mr. Wednesday]

Apologies if already posted.

Think it had been posted. No issue at all with you posting it again though :-)

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Who the fuck is Beverley Turner?

She must be a real wrong ’un if she makes Pierce sound sensible.

She is James Cracknell's ex wife and has a history of spreading COVID and anti-climate nonsense.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Who the fuck is Beverley Turner?

She must be a real wrong ’un if she makes Pierce sound sensible.

she has done BBC 5Live - ITV F1 and Tour de France and loads more - established broadcaster who has fallen under the Brand spell and now soils herself daily on a minority "news" channel

 

[meltonblue]

Indeed they can but do you think they're doing that out of concern for the women involved and therefore punishing Brand or are they just doing it to preserve their own image?

Like I said these women are the least concern for the people, media and companies involved. This is why you go to the Police and not journalists.

Depends on what the women involved want too, there’s valid reasons they go to journalists before the police too.

 

[west didsblue]

She is James Cracknell's ex wife and has a history of spreading COVID and anti-climate nonsense.

Perfect for GBN then!

 

[hammocity]

There are so many parallels in the way Jimmy Savile and Russell Brand operated it’s really sickening.

Exactly this, add in Weinstein, Max Clifford, Stuart Hall, Rolf Harris, Owen Oysten, Jonathan King, etc, it doesn’t have to be minors or rape, coercive sexual behaviour to manipulate women is a crime in itself. Brand is one of the most despicable, disgusting characters out there, Johnathan Ross should be booted out of TV and Radio as well for his comment on Andrew Sach’s granddaughter which Brand had obviously bragged about.

 

[Postman Pep]

Mad to to think so many 'sensible' people indulged him as a serious political thinker.

 

[hammocity]

As I expected. This will give other women the confidence to come forward.

It’s the “me too” position that got that creep Weinstein jailed, without it he’d still be abusing women and going on the radio with that ginger tosser mate of his Chris Evans. The latter “groomed” Billy Piper on his radio show, she was just 18 when they married and he was 35, it was legal but uncomfortable how he talked about her.

 

[bluenova]

You have to assume innocence because that's the whole point of the legal system. It isn't taking sides, it's the default position. I am on the side of the women involved because they have come forward and their case should be heard. However I'm also on the side of the legal system, nobody can punish or attack Brand or do anything else until a case is proven.

I agree, rapes don't always result in convictions but we can't change the legal system to ensure that convictions do happen. The way to improve the conviction rate is to educate women and make it as easy as possible for women to report it through the Police. The Police also have to get better at investigating and the CPS in how it charges people.

What will be lost in this is the whole thing will become a story about the personality of Russell Brand and not the simple fact that the women involved have (hopefully) come forward to get justice. Unfortunately in the media and opinion no-one actually cares about these women, they only care about the outrage and punishing the person involved.

Life doesn't start and end with what courts decide.

There is a huge difference between being innocent, and not having been found guilty in a court of law.

I initially posted because the thread was full of people arguing that unless this goes to court, and unless he's found guilty, he is innocent. That's simply untrue. If it was the case, that means we have to presume Jimmy Savile is innocent.

 

[M18CTID]

It’s the “me too” position that got that creep Weinstein jailed, without it he’d still be abusing women and going on the radio with that ginger tosser mate of his Chris Evans. The latter “groomed” Billy Piper on his radio show, she was just 18 when they married and he was 35, it was legal but uncomfortable how he talked about her.

And poor Billie went on to marry that utter wanker Laurence Fox as well