Do English teams give talent enough time before binning them?

[SambaStyle]

If Mahrez goes and Bernado stays, I hope Palmer and Bobb are given a season for the right flank before buying a replacement. Foden should take the Gundo spot with Kovacic as back up to Rodri. As bad as he's been, Phillips deserves another year.

It's the same with all English teams though, look at players like Gil, Reguilon, Lo Celso and Ndombele at Spurs, binned after flopping for a year or so. Chelsea binned a tonne of players this summer who are still really good, and Werner the year before.

Then you have teams like Sevilla who are winning Europa Leagues getting a tune out of players like Fernando, Navas and Lamela. AS Roma also in the final with Smalling, Matic and Abraham.

 

[Blue Smarties]

Have you used clubs winning second / third rate competitions as reasoning for your point? The clubs you mentioned are all trying to attain positions at the very top of football, and unfortunately that means there’s little time to get things right as it’s so ruthless. You can’t afford a poor run otherwise you’ll fall out of that position - just look at Chelsea last season.

If the manager and coaches believe Palmer, Bobb, etc., are worth minutes, and the right opportunity lands, they’ll get it. Rico is testament for that.

 

[No.8]

Has Philips really been that bad? Rodri has been excellent and then you have Stones moving forward and playing the best football of his career. Philips really hasn’t had a chance to shine but is excellent back up if anything happened to Rodri

 

[TinFoilHat]

It's an English coaching problem not a city one.

Every team seems to have a "breakthrough" English talent that flatters to deceive depending on which club they play for.

Look at the smoke being blown up Dippers arse over Jones and Elliot, and previously Tront.

Their coaches feed their ego's and they think they are better than they are then get comfortable on the money rather than push on to be better.

Any English talent coming through ours seems to have some protection from this young Engerland player syndrome. Phil could have gone down that line. Instead he's been instilled with a teamwork ethic that's improved him as well as the team around him.

Palmer etc will get their chance to emulate that. Only Rico looks like he's grasped the nettle so far.

If they can't make it here the training they got will make them invaluable to another club.

 

[Bluemoon2393]

A few off our English players need to sometimes go abroad to become better players.

Bellingham is good example off how his career has excelled. He could have joined any Premier League team but his family told him to go to Germany and get more game time and more coaching and development.

Players who are trying to get into the England squad probably need to be more brave and go to Germany, Italy and Spain like some off them have done.

 

[WNRH]

Seville finished 12th.

They don’t have a choice to not play Fernando, Navas and Lamela, if they did neither of them would play.

 

[remember arthur mann]

It's an English coaching problem not a city one.

Every team seems to have a "breakthrough" English talent that flatters to deceive depending on which club they play for.

Look at the smoke being blown up Dippers arse over Jones and Elliot, and previously Tront.

Their coaches feed their ego's and they think they are better than they are then get comfortable on the money rather than push on to be better.

Any English talent coming through ours seems to have some protection from this young Engerland player syndrome. Phil could have gone down that line. Instead he's been instilled with a teamwork ethic that's improved him as well as the team around him.

Palmer etc will get their chance to emulate that. Only Rico looks like he's grasped the nettle so far.

If they can't make it here the training they got will make them invaluable to another club.

If only this lad had been given a chance.

 

[BrianW]

Yeah, United should have put him on 200k a week and kept him for another five years. I'm sure he'd have come good as everyone used to say he was the 'new Duncan Edwards'. (New Jimmy Edwards, more like.)

 

[TinFoilHat]

If only this lad had been given a chance.

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He would be the greatest defender in the world under Pep.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

It seems to me like a lot of teams buy younger players and expect them to be the finished article and put very little effort into developing them. They like young players because they offer more resale value, but they're no longer the cheap option, so a lot of players buy them and expect them to perform at the level of a similarly-priced 27 year-old. But the reality is young players will always be inconsistent and get found out, and it's down to coaching and hard work to improve. Look at Rico Lewis. He came into the team and it was like we'd signed a world class full back. Then a few months later, teams had figured out one or two weaknesses in his game and were targeting him, and he looked vulnerable at times. And it'll be up to him to improve those aspects of his game and come back stronger.

Luckily, it's one thing that Guardiola is very good at, not just with young players. Loads of our players struggle in the first six months or so buy Guardiola develops their game. But when you look at someone like Jadon Sancho, you wonder what coaching he's had in the last 2 years to develop his game. It seems like the attitude has been 'well we paid over 70 million for him, so he must be world class' when in reality, he was a player that had one great season in a system that obviously suited him (and dropped off the next season as young players often do when teams recognise the threat).