Do you agree with Capello? (Regarding Pep)

[eastmanc]

I think the last few seasons we have been quite boring to watch for neutrals. It is very much keep the ball and avoid transitions at all costs. This can lead to a lot of sideways passing whilst city try and lure opposing players out of position.

Contrast to how we played when pep first came in with wide wingers and d silva de bruyne in the 8s. We were so great to watch but we had major flaws which where exposed by better sides particularly in Europe.

I think it is fair to say pep has got a lot more pragmatic as he has got older and also due to his experience in England. It started with the Bernardo and grealish winger during the treble winning season which undoubtedly worked. We won tight games due to moments of brilliance from individual players back then. Now the team isn’t quite as good or players have aged we are struggling.

If I’m honest I haven’t particularly enjoyed the football the last few years it has felt very slow and ponderous but I would counter that with teams do sit in against us so it is hard to entertain.

Does that include the seasons when we won the 2 Premier Leagues a Champions League and a FA Cup? Didn't you enjoy us scoring a hundred goals and battering the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern, Liverpool, Arsenal and United? Not many tight games there.

 

[Sir peace frog]

So you disagree that Pep hasn't thrown away some of our biggest games by overthinking and trying to be too clever?

the guy has won 15 trophies in 8 years with us , this over thinking has won us more trophies than we could ever of dreamt about , so ill take the odd "overthink"

this isn't me saying he cant do any wrong as imo he hasn't covered himself in glory this season but i wouldn't bet against him smashing it next season.

 

[Dannyblue52]

Starting Rodri AND Fernindinho on bench for gondog in final vrs Chelski was definately a massive fuk up

That's because we lost. If we had won it would have been a masterstroke by a genius! I do agree that I wasn't happy with the team though.

 

[eastmanc]

the guy has won 15 trophies in 8 years with us , this over thinking has won us more trophies than we could ever of dreamt about , so ill take the odd "overthink"

this isn't me saying he cant do any wrong as imo he hasn't covered himself in glory this season but i wouldn't bet against him smashing it next season.

I think this season he hasn't been helped with having five players needing surgery. Where he has been at fault is he has been too loyal to the aging players. If any manager is allowed an off season it's Pep.

 

[ctwrd]

So you disagree that Pep hasn't thrown away some of our biggest games by overthinking and trying to be too clever?

Quite right we could have won every competition we had entered with a different manager.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

I'm sad to say, I do agree on some parts

Not sure about the 'damaging' football bit or arrogance though.

But certainly this bit

"Why are you going to watch 90 minutes of passes and horizontal passes without fighting, without running." - This pretty much sums up yesterday's game

Ex-England manager launches scathing tirade against 'arrogant' Pep Guardiola

Pep Guardiola has come under an astonishing attack from Fabio Capello.

www.90min.com

Capello says Italian football has been ruined by Pep’s influence. Italian football is better to watch now than when it was ultra defensive. The crowds have gone up in Italy. What about our teams of 2018 and 19 which scored more than 150 goals a season. Total bollocks from Capello.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

So you disagree that Pep hasn't thrown away some of our biggest games by overthinking and trying to be too clever?

We have won more than we have lost. All Managers make some mistakes and Pep makes less than most.

 

[CΛL]

It’s not Peps fault everybody has tried to copy him and mostly failed. You need the best set of players (or close enough) in the league for it to work.

Should be blaming Italian managers for being clampits

 

[mattcity5]

So you disagree that Pep hasn't thrown away some of our biggest games by overthinking and trying to be too clever?

He actually does something different just about every game. People just point it out when it doesn't work and it's a big game.

Also have to remember that those are just the tactics. The tactics can be brilliant, perfect even, but if the players do things wrong then then it can still go wrong.

 

[ArniArason]

Greatest and most successful manager at Manchester City FC, winning countless trophies and accolades by incorporating his brand of football; loses a six pointer against Nottingham Forest.

Bluemoon - "Is Peps brand of football actually poop!?!!"

I don't think anyone has said that in here tbh

 

[Cityfan]

Am I not entitled to change my wording in a post? (and by the way, I didn't say I agreed with every point). You have to choose your words very carefully on this forum, otherwise you're at risk of being labelled a rag or the enemy.

I challenge any city fan to say that Pep hasn't lost big games by trying to be too clever tactically, or that there are many games where the team has endless possession,.side to side passes, but no end product.

The idea of debate is that you can either agree or disagree with parts of what someone says without agreeing or disagreeing on everything someone says, it doesn't have to be a case of you're either with us or against us.

You are entitled to edit a post, but your edit rather changed the meaning of your post to which some had replied including my initial post before the edit.

I don't know if there is a team in history that doesn't have some boring games.

A lot depends on whether we get an early breakthrough and what the opposition does try. It also depends a little on the form of our own players and what referees allow in spoiling tactics.
I certainly didn't find the recent Newcastle, Chelsea and Spurs games boring.
In our run in to the treble the home games against Bayern, Arsenal and Madrid was some of the most thrilling football I've witnessed.

As for overthinking I refer you to my previous reply yesterday he gets it wrong sometimes but without his willingness to innovate we would not have had our success.

 

[ArniArason]

In that case you are one sad bastard

Ah, your parents brought you up well didn't they.lol

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Starting Rodri AND Fernindinho on bench for gondog in final vrs Chelski was definately a massive fuk up

Fernandinho legs were gone and Rodri was still getting used to his role at City. Gundo had covered the 6 position plenty of times over the years and did well.

 

[Mcfc1.9.8.0]

Why didn’t Capello come out with these quotes at the end of last season or the season before if he genuinely thinks that

 

[East Level 2]

Why didn’t Capello come out with these quotes at the end of last season or the season before if he genuinely thinks that

Because none of the media shit-stirrers ask such questions when we're winning stuff.

 

[Rastus Rabbit]

Absolute fucking bollocks from the worst England Manager of all time.

First of all he's won 3 Champions Leagues, 2 were down to him creating the false 9 role for Messi which was the catalyst for the best football team to ever exist ever. The best united team ever assembled couldn't touch the fucking ball. He also changed to a 4 CB system the year we won it which completely turned our season on its head. In February we were fucking shite and we won the treble in May.

Not sure how teams in Italy trying to play possession football has anything to do with Pep.

I think this Postman Pat looking **** can fuck right off and so can you for sharing it and saying you agree with every word!

Apologies for being pedantic but he's got the best win ratio of all time for England.
Don't agree with him by the way.

 

[Mifred]

Sometimes. Nowhere near as many games as he's won for us

A domestic treble
A treble
4 in a row
100 points
Champions League
I will be happy to watch Pep

 

[Metal Biker]

I don't think anyone has said that in here tbh

You DON'T think Pep is City's greatest manager?

(That's me being facetious, by the way.)

You must in some way agree with Capello's comments about Pep if you've taken the time to start a thread about it. Pep isn't perfect all the time, but that doesn't mean he should come under criticism for his style of how he wants his teams to play, especially when there is a track record of proven success. Capello wishes he could have had as a successful managerial career as Guardiola, and i'm supposed to listen to his critique?

 

[moomba]

"Why are you going to watch 90 minutes of passes and horizontal passes without fighting, without running." - This pretty much sums up yesterday's game

Watching us this past 9 years has been pretty amazing. Yesterday's game has no bearing on that.

 

[DMA's]

Does that include the seasons when we won the 2 Premier Leagues a Champions League and a FA Cup? Didn't you enjoy us scoring a hundred goals and battering the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern, Liverpool, Arsenal and United? Not many tight games there.

That Madrid game was to me when the pep era peaked. We were incredible that game. The noise in the ground, the hunger and desire from the players and fans. Everything just fell into place and we were magnificent.

Let’s not forget in the two finals v United and inter we barely got over the line. In one gundogan scored a couple of brilliant goals and in the other we rode our luck, struggled to break inter down and owe lukaku for missing a sitter.

Since then we have lost quality players due to sales or ageing. Mahrez couldn’t even get in that team yet he single handily won us the semi v Sheffield United and would win us games through his brilliance. Gundogan, Kdb and Bernardo have aged and all regressed, haaland had a freak season and hasn’t hit those numbers since, stones, ake are both injury prone and akanji also can’t stay fit. Walker has gone and he would single handily nullify mbappe and Vinicius in games.

The following season we won the league but we weren’t brilliant. We won many tight games. When it mattered we couldn’t break down Madrid and ended up going out on pens and lost to United in the fa cup final. That’s a clear regression from the season before. The reason for this imo is the sales of mahrez (he wasn’t replaced) & haaland wasn’t as prolific. We won the league mainly due to Rodri, foden and Alvarez.

This season we have taken another step back. Kdb, Bernardo and Gundo are all older and can’t win games for us, foden has seemingly fallen off a cliff and Alvarez left. Rodri getting injured was obviously a big issue but I doubt he alone would make a huge difference.

Since the Madrid game the team has been declining imo