Donald Trump

[Blue Hefner]

More ramblings on Sky News. But, in case anyone was in any doubt, his trip was a “tremendous success”

 

[aguero93:20]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/98546040

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/36438051

The first one is from 18 months ago, the second one is worth about 50,000 jobs in a country of 312 million people, with no comparisons to the amount that have gone offshore. They started the article with Harley Davidson and didn't mention the 5,800 jobs there and made a big noise about Ford bringing jobs back when they're also moving jobs to the EU.

 

[blueincy]

Oh FFS. That article is from March 2017; the one on the ISM Index is from January, and the index is FLAT since then.

I'm saying this stuff because it's so ridiculously, transparently lame to pretend you know what you're doing in the face of people who obviously know more about this than you, including -- specifically -- me.

For the 49th time on this thread, yet another prove-out of "The Death of Expertise" theorems.

That said, the economy is very strong and the consumer/business confidence boost in part created by Trump's tax cut and aggressive moves to de-regulate has been a positive for business and consumers. There's a question about the long-run cost, whether to the deficit or to the environment, etc. There's also no doubt the tariffs and a worker shortage (in part due to declining immigration of any type) are increasing concerns.

Then there's the whole question about whether the ends justify the means.

So we can all get back on the correct page as opposed to the one spun out of out-dated, cherry-picked bullshit, here's the actual release from the ISM on the services number, including lots of interesting data and a variety of comments from businesses surveyed. Happy reading.

https://www.instituteforsupplymanagement.org/ISMReport/NonMfgROB.cfm?SSO=1

 

[Blue Hefner]

Apparently should have said “wouldn’t have been Russia” instead of what he actually said “I don’t see why it would be Russia”

How can this man still be President.

Obama and Clinton have had a mention, no surprise there

 

[blueincy]

The first one is from 18 months ago, the second one is worth about 50,000 jobs in a country of 312 million people, with no comparisons to the amount that have gone offshore. They started the article with Harley Davidson and didn't mention the 5,800 jobs there and made a big noise about Ford bringing jobs back when they're also moving jobs to the EU.

Been told this already:-( out of date cherry picked bullshit I believe even the latest figures are great it's still all doom and gloom...

https://www.instituteforsupplymanagement.org/ISMReport/NonMfgROB.cfm?SSO=1

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Do you realize how difficult it is to communicate with someone who can't read? Read my post again -- maybe go slower, break out a dictionary -- then erase this one.

 

[SWP's back]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/e...ey-of-most-us-businesses-ism-finds-2018-02-05

A much better indicator than a high dollar.

Still, wait and see how the tariffs impact US manufacturing.

 

[aguero93:20]

A much better indicator than a high dollar.

Still, wait and see how the tariffs impact US manufacturing.

Whirlpool got their utilities tariff and are still down huge money on the steel tariff. Wait until he goes after oil derivatives from China (eg plastics) and it'll completely collapse their manufacturing sector.

 

[Ban-jani]

Breaking news: Trump now says he “misspoke” in Helsinki and “sees no reason why Russia would not be responsible for election meddling”.

Fucking hell fire.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

It's the disruption to the global supply chain that creates problems with tariffs, not so much that prices just go up for everything. That need to analyze and enact shifts in the chain creates disruption and uncertainty in logistics, product quality AND cost. Tariffs acted differently as protectionist measures when supply chains were more regional or local. The other problem is that Trump has demonstrated such capriciousness (from goading the "Rocket Man" to meeting with him a few short months later, e.g.) that no one knows what his next step with tariffs is -- double down, stay the course or back off.