Donald Trump

[ali benarbia's studs]

poor DT, I was sure he was going to be shot but it seems he will be brought down by a sex scandal. It looks like he is being groomed already.

 

[willipp]

When was the last time you drove into the back of a stationary vehicle?
Guess you don't need a seatbelt then!

But i already wear a seatbelt and travel safely, much like America has its borders under control and dont have a problem with Muslim terrorists sneaking into their country to commit atrocities. Surely if he was so concerned about American lives and terrorism, he would look at maybe the gun laws and introduce an executive order that introduced more stringent checks and controls on buying guns.

 

[domalino]

When was the last time you drove into the back of a stationary vehicle?
Guess you don't need a seatbelt then!

By that logic all immigration from anywhere in the world should be stopped, just in case.

Any and all serious justification of this ban for "stopping terrorism" went out of the window when it didn't include Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Egypt, you know, the countries that terrorists have actually come from.

 

[The perfect fumble]

All this stuff is straight out of the authoritarian playbook, checks and balances, legal constraints, the constitution, they're all weak and flabby, an audacious and ruthless executive can trample all over them, if only to see how far they get. Shock and awe is the game plan here, executive orders are rapidly dispensed spreading chaos through the system, and before the system has time to digest it another one arrives, the press can't keep up, protest fatigue kicks in and under the radar Trump registers himself as a 2020 candidate and enriches himself even further by being both outrageous and opaque, but that barely makes a ripple before bang! Another outrageous executive order.

Welcome to the 45th President of the United States Stephen K. Bannon

 

[Vic]

The ruling is just though. She might personally disagree with it but that's not her job. And if you personally disagree with your boss I think the correct thing to do is resign with dignity, not get fired for insubordination.

Legal =/= Just, and she doesn't even think it's legal - and she's the supreme authority on American law.

The first job her replacement has will be defending the goverment against the 15 states who are taking to court to stop Trump's ban.

"Just and wise" is the test. Duties include "Furnish advice and opinions, formal and informal, on legal matters to the President and the Cabinet and to the heads of the executive departments and agencies of the government, as provided by law." She was going to be sacked anyway. If she'd just resigned, it might have been the "honourable" thing to do, but I'm not sure a resignation letter would have had the same impact as a formal opinion from the highest ranked law officer. The new guy, Jeff Sessions, will fit in well, pro-torture and not averse to cruel, inhumane, or degrading treatment or punishment for anyone in custody.

 

[inbetween]

But i already wear a seatbelt and travel safely, much like America has its borders under control and dont have a problem with Muslim terrorists sneaking into their country to commit atrocities. Surely if he was so concerned about American lives and terrorism, he would look at maybe the gun laws and introduce an executive order that introduced more stringent checks and controls on buying guns.

It is in their constitution that they cannot ban guns or infringe on the right to bear arms. They already do what they can at a state level in some states but only by limiting the type of gun you can buy or even performing background checks in the more stringent states like California.

Obama ran into a brick wall because you just cannot bring through legislation that infringes on the constitutional right to own a gun. This mean an executive order is worthless because it cannot infringe on the constitution.

The evidence unfortunately suggests that they don't need more gun laws but rather they need to ban guns completely and that requires the deletion of the 2nd amendment, it is not going to happen.

 

[The perfect fumble]

A fantastic critique of Bannon and Trump....

 

[willipp]

It is in their constitution that they cannot ban guns or infringe on the right to bear arms. They already do what they can at a state level in some states but only by limiting the type of gun you can buy or even performing background checks in the more stringent states like California.

Obama ran into a brick wall because you just cannot bring through legislation that infringes on the constitutional right to own a gun. This mean an executive order is worthless because it cannot infringe on the constitution.

The evidence unfortunately suggests that they don't need more gun laws but rather they need to ban guns completely and that requires the deletion of the 2nd amendment, it is not going to happen.

Cheers, didnt realise that. Feels at the moment Trump has free reign to do what ever he wants, but that makes more sense now.

 

[The perfect fumble]

https://medium.com/@jakefuentes/the...d-were-falling-for-it-b8910e78f0c5#.tqlh6dvlf

I particularly like this analysis....

let’s pretend we’re the Trump administration (not necessarily Trump himself, more likely his inner circle) for a second. Here’s our playbook:

1. We launch a series of Executive Orders in the first week. Beforehand, we identify one that our opponents will complain loudly about and will dominate the news cycle. Immigration ban. Perfect.
2. We craft the ban to be about 20% more extreme than we actually want it to be — say, let’s make the explicit decision to block green card holders from defined countries from entering the US, rather than just visa holders. We create some confusion so that we can walk back from that part later, but let’s make sure that it’s enforced to begin with.
3. We watch our opposition pour out into the streets protesting the extremes of our public measure, exactly as we intended. The protests dominate the news, but our base doesn’t watch CNN anyway. The ACLU will file motions to oppose the most extreme parts of our measure, that’s actually going to be useful too. We don’t actually care if we win, that’s why we made it more extreme than it needed to be. But in doing so, the lawsuit process will test the loyalty of those enforcing what we say.
4. While the nation’s attention is on our extreme EO, slip a few more nuanced moves through. For example, reconfigure the National Security Council so that it’s led by our inner circle. Or gut the State Department’s ability to resist more extreme moves. That will have massive benefits down the road — the NSC are the folks that authorize secret assassinations against enemies of the state, including American citizens. Almost nobody has time to analyze that move closely, and those that do can’t get coverage.
5. When the lawsuits filed by the ACLU inevitably succeed, stay silent. Don’t tell the DHS to abide by the what the federal judge says, see what they do on their own. If they capitulate to the courts, we know our power with the DHS is limited and we need to staff it with more loyal people. But if they continue enforcing our EO until we tell them not to, we know that we can completely ignore the judicial branch later on and the DHS will have our back.
6. Once the DHS has made their move, walk back from the 20% we didn’t want in the first place. Let the green card holders in, and pretend that’s what we meant all along. The protestors and the ACLU, both clamoring to display their efficacy, jump on the moment to declare a huge victory. The crowds dissipate, they have to go back to work.
7. When the dust settles, we have 100% of the Executive Order we originally wanted, we’ve tested the loyalty of a department we’ll need later on, we’ve proven we can ignore an entire branch of government, and we’ve slipped in some subtle moves that will make the next test even easier.

 

[blueonblue]

Legal =/= Just, and she doesn't even think it's legal - and she's the supreme authority on American law.

She got her arse fired because it was the Department of Justice legal section that drew up the regulations, a department she was supposedly running yet chose to try and make a political point when the real experts determined the legalities.

 

[domalino]

She got her arse fired because it was the Department of Justice legal section that drew up the regulations, a department she was supposedly running yet chose to try and make a political point when the real experts determined the legalities.

Uh, no. Not even Trump has said the Justice Department drew up the regulations, that's bollocks!

Trump said the order had been "approved" by Justice Department lawyers. However, the department has said the Office of Legal Counsel review was limited to whether the order was properly drafted, but did not address broader policy questions.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/trump-faces-blowback-cabinet-diplomats-refugee-ban-45154851​

The policy team at the White House developed the executive order on refugees and visas, and largely avoided the traditional interagency process that would have allowed the Justice Department and homeland security agencies to provide operational guidance.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban/


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The Justice Department did not draw the regulations up, they were barely consulted.

 

[Tanzeylee]

Of course.

:-)

 

[Len Rum]

All this stuff is straight out of the authoritarian playbook, checks and balances, legal constraints, the constitution, they're all weak and flabby, an audacious and ruthless executive can trample all over them, if only to see how far they get. Shock and awe is the game plan here, executive orders are rapidly dispensed spreading chaos through the system, and before the system has time to digest it another one arrives, the press can't keep up, protest fatigue kicks in and under the radar Trump registers himself as a 2020 candidate and enriches himself even further by being both outrageous and opaque, but that barely makes a ripple before bang! Another outrageous executive order.

Welcome to the 45th President of the United States Stephen K. Bannon

Spot on and to think that what was only last week a tongue in cheek comment about the UK becoming the 51st State of the U.S. is now in danger of becoming a reality.
The UK renamed as Britapore to enter into the Union on 1st April 2019?

 

[worsleyweb]

Everyone I have spoken to seems to think what he is doing is perfectly reasonable - he wants people vetted from countries with issues against America and that are a security risk - it is not, in spite of the press statements a ban on Muslims. The histrionics are farcical. Has he banned anyone from Pakistan? Saw the videos and interview of the people at the rally in Manchester Last night and they all seemed like student kids and social worker types and the types who would just protest because Facebook tells them too. Pathetic. I read an article this morning that said Merkels response to Trumps policy had put Mays reaction to shame? This is the women who is single handily destroying great European Cities like Cologne? You couldn't make this up. Really hope Trump has the balls to keep ignoring the PC brigade and continue to implement the common sense policies 45 million people in America asked him to.

 

[Pell]

Everyone I have spoken to seems to think what he is doing is perfectly reasonable - he wants people vetted from countries with issues against America and that are a security risk - it is not, in spite of the press statements a ban on Muslims. The histrionics are farcical. Has he banned anyone from Pakistan? Saw the videos and interview of the people at the rally in Manchester Last night and they all seemed like student kids and social worker types and the types who would just protest because Facebook tells them too. Pathetic. I read an article this morning that said Merkels response to Trumps policy had put Mays reaction to shame? This is the women who is single handily destroying great European Cities like Cologne? You couldn't make this up. Really hope Trump has the balls to keep ignoring the PC brigade and continue to implement the common sense policies 45 million people in America asked him to.

Germany and Sweden are examples of what happens with the opposite mentality, (i.e. bring them all in, don't bother too much with vetting). What happened in Cologne on NYE last year was no isolated incident by any means, and its the same in Sweden too.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Everyone I have spoken to seems to think what he is doing is perfectly reasonable - he wants people vetted from countries with issues against America and that are a security risk - it is not, in spite of the press statements a ban on Muslims. The histrionics are farcical. Has he banned anyone from Pakistan? Saw the videos and interview of the people at the rally in Manchester Last night and they all seemed like student kids and social worker types and the types who would just protest because Facebook tells them too. Pathetic. I read an article this morning that said Merkels response to Trumps policy had put Mays reaction to shame? This is the women who is single handily destroying great European Cities like Cologne? You couldn't make this up. Really hope Trump has the balls to keep ignoring the PC brigade and continue to implement the common sense policies 45 million people in America asked him to.

Juvenile rent-a-mob demands Somali refugees have the right to blow up Walmart in Tuscaloosa.

News Flash....

Japanese American internment camps reinstated over the outrageous price of Sony Playstation.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Everyone I have spoken to seems to think what he is doing is perfectly reasonable - he wants people vetted from countries with issues against America and that are a security risk - it is not, in spite of the press statements a ban on Muslims. The histrionics are farcical. Has he banned anyone from Pakistan? Saw the videos and interview of the people at the rally in Manchester Last night and they all seemed like student kids and social worker types and the types who would just protest because Facebook tells them too. Pathetic. I read an article this morning that said Merkels response to Trumps policy had put Mays reaction to shame? This is the women who is single handily destroying great European Cities like Cologne? You couldn't make this up. Really hope Trump has the balls to keep ignoring the PC brigade and continue to implement the common sense policies 45 million people in America asked him to.

That says everything about the company you keep.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Germany and Sweden are examples of what happens with the opposite mentality, (i.e. bring them all in, don't bother too much with vetting). What happened in Cologne on NYE last year was no isolated incident by any means, and its the same in Sweden too.

No isolated incident? Same in Sweden? What does that mean? I have difficulty keeping up with the phraseology of casual racism.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

There'#s a difference between a vetting process and a flat out ban.

 

[blueonblue]

Trump said the order had been "approved" by Justice Department lawyers. However, the department has said the Office of Legal Counsel review was limited to whether the order was properly drafted, but did not address broader policy questions.

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I understood it was issued from the DOJ, but either way it was reviewed by the office of legal counsel on the legal points as is their mandate , they are not there to address policy but ensure that it is within the legal framework.
Despite all the weeping and gnashing of teeth from the BHL the simple facts are that common sense dictates people coming from those countries should be subject to scrutiny rather than the virtual "Wave through" that was in existences.