Donald Trump

[stonerblue]

To be truthful I stopped reading after the bit I quoted your lucky I even got that far

wanker

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

the dirty bastards.

Exactly mate exactly ;)

 

[idahoblues]

This thread seems to have imploded

 

[geoff clipp]

No, it's a technique that people hungry for rapid ascension into positions of power, victory or might have been using forever -- otherwise known as divide and conquer.

You can persist on seeing this as a battle between "left" and "right", in which case confirmation bias will never allow you to view the actual issue, which is this:

The fundamental belief that one's race determines one's inherent relative status as a human is wrong.

THANK YOU! Why are people so obsessed with turning this into a two sided thing? The problem here is with white supremacists, Nazis and fascists. Do I like that some of the people responding to this are doing so violently? No I don't, but it's not that hard to understand either. Marching through the streets in support of a regime that gassed millions of men, women and children is bound to provoke an aggressive response from some quarters and yet some people are determined to make the two positions equivalent.

Also, the people who are taking huge amounts of glee in seeing people being "triggered" by these events are total scum. And no, I don't think someone who has a different political viewpoint to me is scum. Mass murderer is not a legitimate political viewpoint.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Just because I don't pick sides between the far left and right doesn't make me an appeaser that's just lazy and inconsistent of what a democratic mind is. I will never follow either and for me that's the correct stance.
Brexit voters have been labelled Nazis xenophobes and even traitors, this doesn't sit too well with me.

You don't have to "pick sides" to condemn fascism.

As with Trump, I presume the motivation for voting for Brexit was multi-varied, so such generalizations seem unfair. On a side note, Brexit puzzled me -- not the outcome, the fact that it was ever a votable decision to make. The full set of implications of voting for either side, especially the Out side, were, I suspect, never quite made clear in the first place. The fact that as wide-ranging and deep-seated a change was left to a simple yes/no at the ballot box was quite astounding to me, and to many Americans.

Hell, why not put out a ballot measure that says every Briton (or American) gets a 100K GBP pension annually for life? I bet that would pass too, budgetary consequences be damned. But it was an easy choice for those who wanted to express frustration and anger with the way things are, as Trump was.

 

[Summerbuzz]

Romney, McConnell, chair of the Republic National Committee, McCain, Kasich, Geb, McMaster. The most right wing PM since IDS. Homeland security, the FBI, the NSA, presumably the CIA. Generals.

All of these looney leftists have made the same clear, unambiguous distinction between all forms of white supremacism and movements that oppose them, and refuse point blank to draw any equivalence.

Just think what Thatcher would say. She'd absolutely obliterate Trump.

I think it's time that the morally outraged consider cancelling their sky subscriptions. James Murdoch has gone out of his way to give succour to this attack on democracy and civil society. Rumour is that even he has got cold feet.

 

[The blue phantom]

From what I've seen of American politicians, Tulsi Gabbard and Trey Gowdy would have been ideal candidates for the Democrats and Republicans respectively.
Instead, they were given what "southpark" described as a "douchbag and a shit sandwich".

I'm not sure about Gowdy mate. He's seems a bit of a ****. Personally i thougt Rubio would of been a good choice.

I think any senator who has cosied up to the orange gibbon will be toast if they want a shot at the top gig. Come 2020-2024.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

THANK YOU! Why are people so obsessed with turning this into a two sided thing? The problem here is with white supremacists, Nazis and fascists. Do I like that some of the people responding to this are doing so violently? No I don't, but it's not that hard to understand either. Marching through the streets in support of a regime that gassed millions of men, women and children is bound to provoke an aggressive response from some quarters and yet some people are determined to make the two positions equivalent.

Also, the people who are taking huge amounts of glee in seeing people being "triggered" by these events are total scum. And no, I don't think someone who has a different political viewpoint to me is scum. Mass murderer is not a legitimate political viewpoint.

It's confirmation bias. Having already expressed their support for -- or, to your point, glee in -- Trump's election, they can't well turn back now and say they made a mistake, even when it comes to condemning these who would trash the very principle at the heart of free societies.

It takes courage to stand up to fascists. It takes as much courage to say, "I fucked up and voted for this amoral psychopath, and I made a terrible mistake." Because they don't want to face the chorus of "I told you so, you idiot" sure to come their way from others. Which they may deserve, but which in the interest of re-unifying the nation, I'd really prefer was left unsaid.

The left side of the aisle really does need to take a good, hard look at the anger of who they have dismissed unfairly and who they too often have painted wholesale as retarded, racist bumpkins and understand the deeper issues of income and opportunity inequality that drove Trump's election.

But condemning fascism and fascists? That's an issue that should UNITE most all Americans, right and left, not divide them.

 

[Summerbuzz]

Forgot about Ryan and Rubio, they also released strongly statements.

Here's two republican presidents, George Bush Sr and Jr.

America must always reject racial bigotry, anti-Semitism, and hatred in all its forms. As we pray for Charlottesville, we are reminded of the fundamental truths recorded by that city’s most prominent citizen in the Declaration of Independence: we are all created equal and endowed by our Creator with unalienable right. We know these truths to be everlasting because we have seen the decency and greatness of our country.

 

[Tanzeylee]

wanker

Now that's not very liberal of you