Donald Trump

[SebastianBlue]

The rioting in Democrat run cities is the Democrats' fault. It's not about recognising Trump as King of the Universe or whatever, it's about refusing to put a stop to the riots and even encouraging them.

If they had nipped the rioting in the bud, yes, things would be so much better.

You do realise that municipal, state, and federal agencies and governing entities (outside of the Trump-controlled DOJ and DHS) have consistently indicated that most of the (relatively limited compared to the scope of prostests and demonstrations) violence and rioting have been instigated by people that are not local to the communities where it is happening, including what is occurring in Wisconsin and Oregon right now? And that most of them seemingly have right or far-right leanings?

Some of those outside provocateurs have been identified and even charged, with most having ties to far right groups (including a few the DOJ themselves are prescuting on federal charges whilst Barr strangely keeps repeating the same lie that antifa was to blame for those specific provocations).

I mean, those far right groups are literally online taking credit for organising and instigating a lot of the violence occurring at these public demonstrations right now.

If you won’t take my claims seriously, surely you’ll take theirs?

And you think the Democrats are “encouraging” riots and violence in their own cities? For what purpose?

That sort of chaos only hurts them and plays in to Trump’s false Democrat “lawlessness” narrative that Fox News, OANN, and other propaganda outlets are happy to disseminate within the gullible, ignorant masses while Trump himself subverts the rule of law and attempts to dismantle the democratic republic (hurting said gullible, ignorant masses along with the rest of America).

 

[Silva_Spell]

You do realise that municipal, state, and federal agencies and governing entities (outside of the Trump-controlled DOJ and DHS) have consistently indicated that most of the (relatively limited compared to the scope of prostests and demonstrations) violence and rioting have been instigated by people that are not local to the communities where it is happening, including what is occurring in Wisconsin and Oregon right now? And that most of them seemingly have right or far-right leanings?

Some of those outside provocateurs have been identified and even charged, with most having ties to far right groups (including a few the DOJ themselves are prescuting on federal charges whilst Barr strangely keeps repeating the same lie that antifa was to blame for those specific provocations).

I mean, those far right groups are literally online taking credit for organising and instigating a lot of the violence occurring at these public demonstrations right now.

If you won’t take my claims seriously, surely you’ll take theirs?

And you think the Democrats are “encouraging” riots and violence in their own cities? For what purpose?

That sort of chaos only hurts them and plays in to Trump’s false Democrat “lawlessness” narrative that Fox News, OANN, and other propaganda outlets are happy to disseminate within the gullible, ignorant masses while Trump himself subverts the rule of law and attempts to dismantle the democratic republic (hurting said gullible, ignorant masses along with the rest of America).

Many of the rioters not being local alters nothing.

The notion that Portland is a hotbed of far right activity is absurd but even if we granted that, again, it changes nothing. Mayors and Governors have a job to do. Standing outside a courthouse with rioters isn't part of it. Ending the riots is.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Many of the rioters not being local alters nothing.

The notion that Portland is a hotbed of far right activity is absurd but even if we granted that, again, it changes nothing. Mayors and Governors have a job to do. Standing outside a courthouse with rioters isn't part of it. Ending the riots is.

It changes nothing that the violence and riots are premarily being undertaken and/or instigated by far right provocateurs, many of which are not local to the communities where it is taking place?

It’s still all the Democrats’ fault — they were and are “asking for it” by standing outside with *protesters* and *demonstrators* and publicly opposing riots, destruction of property, and violence?

And Oregon *is* a hotbed for far right activity. Portland, from a majority political and culture ideology standpoint, is *very* different from most of the rest of the state; Oregon has a very well documented especially racist and anti-government history. Only someone ignorant of the history of these places would think it absurd to point out the very obvious, well-established fact that right and far right groups have been entering Portland (and other Democrat-led cities) to oppose social justice protests and sow unrest (by their own claims).

 

[Silva_Spell]

Ha trump stood at the podium during a covid briefing whilst they were on lockdown and told his supporters in democrate states to go out and protest against lockdown because it was the horrible dem governors that were trying to take their rights away, their guns away etc. So they turned out and went to the governors houses with their automatic guns to scare the shit out of them

Trump is creating a civil war,he wants violence in the dem states because people would have another reason to be scared to go out and vote

He just liked a tweet praising the seventeen year old who killed people

Stoking violence suits him,it will help him get re-elected

This is staring you in the fucking face

As stupid as going to the places like the statehouse was there were no riots, everyone has the right to protest (and in some places whilst armed), some even had their temp checked before going inside.

Violence suits Trump only because he hasn't needed to stoke it.

 

[Silva_Spell]

It changes nothing that the violence and riots are premarily being undertaken and/or instigated by far right provocateurs, many of which are not local to the communities where it is taking place?

It’s still all the Democrats’ fault — they were and are “asking for it” by standing outside with *protesters* and *demonstrators* and publicly opposing riots, destruction of property, and violence?

And Oregon *is* a hotbed for far right activity. Portland, from a majority political and culture ideology standpoint, is *very* different from most of the rest of the state; Oregon has a very well documented especially racist and anti-government history. Only someone ignorant of the history of these places would think it absurd to point out the very obvious, well-established fact that right and far right groups have been entering Portland (and other Democrat-led cities) to oppose social justice protests and sow unrest (by their own claims).

Yes, granting it (for sake of argument) doesn't change the fact that the riots haven't been stopped and it's politically stupid for Trump supporters to go there.

"*protesters* and *demonstrators*" don't attack courthouses. Perhaps you should tell Wheeler that he was standing with Proud Boy types if it's them who have been trying to burn down the courthouse. No doubt it was a Proud Boy type who murdered that Trump supporter last night

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

It changes nothing that the violence and riots are premarily being undertaken and/or instigated by far right provocateurs, many of which are not local to the communities where it is taking place?

It’s still all the Democrats’ fault — they were and are “asking for it” by standing outside with *protesters* and *demonstrators* and publicly opposing riots, destruction of property, and violence?

And Oregon *is* a hotbed for far right activity. Portland, from a majority political and culture ideology standpoint, is *very* different from most of the rest of the state; Oregon has a very well documented especially racist and anti-government history. Only someone ignorant of the history of these places would think it absurd to point out the very obvious, well-established fact that right and far right groups have been entering Portland (and other Democrat-led cities) to oppose social justice protests and sow unrest (by their own claims).

I own property in Oregon (in Bend) and used to own a business in central Oregon. I have spent a ton of time there over 25 years, including in K Falls, Redmond/Bend, Portland (where our ad agency and clients were), McMinnville (where our product was manufactured), Coos Bay, Eugene, Roseville, Cottage Grove and effectively every major city/town with the exception of Medford/Ashland and The Dalles.

So hopefully I have a reasonable background for my conclusions.

Oregon is truly unique as a place where all political perspectives are represented just about equally, from very liberal to very conservative and a lot in between. Bend is the best example of this. Certainly central/eastern Oregon tends to be more conservative than western Oregon. The interesting aspect is that Oregonians as a rule were more protective of their Oregonian-ness than their politics. They were more unified in having a disdain for "carpet-bagging" Californians than on nearly any other issue! And this is important -- there's also more unification around environmental issues there, with both ends of the spectrum interested in the independence of landowners and the import of conservation.

It's also very white, especially central Oregon, and even in the agricultural sections.

So what's happened in Portland makes me sad, and frankly surprises me some.

One thing I do know -- the original poster who keeps bringing up Portland doesn't know fucking dick about Oregon.

 

[Blue Hefner]

 

[kaz7]

As stupid as going to the places like the statehouse was there were no riots, everyone has the right to protest (and in some places whilst armed), some even had their temp checked before going inside.

Violence suits Trump only because he hasn't needed to stoke it.

He does nothing but stoke it, it suits his agenda to have people scared, you have missed the point about going to the statehouse etc,it was lockdown during the height of a pandemic and he told them to break the rules, he even insisted it was ok as they were social distancing which they werent ,he didnt care about anyones safety , he had an agenda, he didnt tell people in republican states to demonstrate ,did he ?

Turning up at governors and mayors houses with automatic guns to scare them and their kids was sanctioned by the president,told to do it by the president, removing post boxes in dem states so they cant post a vote in rather than be exposed to a deadly virus

I dont have enough bad words to cover it,he is scum and guess what , the brexiters have put our fortune into dealing with him closer than ever

Come on god,do your thing

 

[Silva_Spell]

He does nothing but stoke it, it suits his agenda to have people scared, you have missed the point about going to the statehouse etc,it was lockdown during the height of a pandemic and he told them to break the rules, he even insisted it was ok as they were social distancing which they werent ,he didnt care about anyones safety , he had an agenda, he didnt tell people in republican states to demonstrate ,did he ?

Turning up at governors and mayors houses with automatic guns to scare them and their kids was sanctioned by the president,told to do it by the president, removing post boxes in dem states so they cant post a vote in rather than be exposed to a deadly virus

I dont have enough bad words to cover it,he is scum and guess what , the brexiters have put our fortune into dealing with him closer than ever

Come on god,do your thing

So your point was about breaking lockdown rules? We ween't talking about lockdown rules.

 

[mat]

Wisconsin Governor and Mayor of Kenosha are telling Trump not to come. He's going there to stir shit up as his tweets and retweets today are proving.