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This might be for off topic but anyway

Just seen this on the BBC News website, interesting bit at the bottom about Abu Dabi possibly bailing them out, our owners are taking over the world!


Shares hit by Dubai debt problems

Dubai World has fuelled the emirate's rapid economic growth of recent years
European shares have been hit by concerns over Dubai's financial health, after a government-owned company asked for an extension on repaying its debts.

UK, French and German markets all fell by about 3% after Dubai World asked creditors to postpone upcoming repayments until May next year.

Banks were hit particularly hard on concerns over Dubai's ability to pay back its debts.

The emirate has been badly affected by the global recession.

"Certainly the Dubai debt debacle and the uncertainty that it has created has had a severe knock on effect," said David Buik at BGC Partners.

The UK's FTSE 100 index fell 2.9%, with shares in Royal Bank of Scotland falling 7.8% and those in Barclays down 6.4%.

France's CAC 40 index lost 3.1% while Germany's Dax slipped 2.8%.


ANALYSIS
Ben Thompson, business reporter, Dubai
Financial markets and businesses are closed here for the Eid holiday - some suggest that's why the announcement was made when it was.

It's sparked real shock that things have come to this. Just 12 months ago, few could have believed the city would find itself asking for this lifeline. It seems Dubai is now paying the price for living on borrowed money.

Of course, everyone knew the boom couldn't last forever, but no-one expected it to collapse when, or as suddenly, as it did. Property prices have more than halved over the past year and investors have fled.

The official figure for Dubai's debt is $80bn, but talk to anyone here and the feeling is the figure is much higher. Unpaid bills, abandoned cars and empty buildings are all too obvious. Some analysts put the real figure at close to $160bn.


Stephanomics: Is Dubai too big to fail?

Heavy price

After six years of rapid growth, the reputation of Dubai's economy is now being questioned.

"Dubai could not undermine itself any further as a place not to do business in at the moment," said Manus Cranny at MF Global.

"It is the much longer term implications on funding, confidence and capital raising that will take a decade or more to re-establish," he added.

Analysts say the Dubai government has paid the price for a flamboyant economic model centred on foreign capital and giant construction projects.

'Government failure'

Dubai World, which has total debts of $59bn (£35bn), has asked for a six-month extension on debt repayments.

It was due to repay $3.5bn next month.

The Dubai government said the request to delay debt repayments also applied to property developer Nakheel, a Dubai World subsidiary.

The request led to major credit ratings agencies downgrading a number of state-backed companies.

"In our view, such a restructuring may be considered a default under our default criteria, and represents a failure of the Dubai government to provide timely financial support to a core government-related activity," said Standard & Poor's.

Dubai is one of the seven self-governing emirates that make up the United Arab Emirates.

Some have speculated it is likely to turn to the more economically conservative Abu Dhabi emirate to bail it out.
 
Re: Dubai on its arse?

I was talking to a guy recently who'd just spent a year in Abu Dhabi. He said they're even feeling the recession there. Obviously our guys won't be, it's nearly impossible for them to spend money, ffs!, and although these sort of countries will continue to flourish he was telling me that lots of people are losing their jobs there too. He works as a freelance tutor, does management talks and stuff to big companies over there. He was saying work's been halted on quite a few sites, office blocks are struggling to sell space, and that a few ex-pat mates of his are returning home.
 
Re: Dubai on its arse?

I got a taste of it a few weeks ago. Was chatting to an engineer guy in Dubai who said everything's stopped because there's no money or investment in Dubai. A lot of his mates had gone back to England to get jobs.

A few weeks ago, Abu Dhabi loaned Dubai something like $10 billion, and obviously this article's saying that Dubai can't really pay it back as soon as they would have liked.

I think in simple terms, Dubai have had a little oil money, but spent it on creating the worlds best City, with mad projects like Palm Island and the worlds biggest skyscraper...both of which I was told are sinking! Thing is though, in the current recession, people are pulling out of Dubai and all they have in terms of backing is a lot of concrete and steel buildings.

However, Abu Dhabi have 9% of the worlds oil (I think?) and they've not spent it on crazy projects like Dubai, in fact the only extravagent place in Abu Dhabi seems to be the Emirates Palace, oh and of course the F1 track. But Abu Dhabi seem to have spent their money wisely all around the world, in different areas so the money there isn't at risk. Abu Dhabi have the money in the UAE, hence why Dubai went to them for money to bail them out.

But this news just enforces the fact that Abu Dhabi is stable, and proves they only spend their money wisely. For us this means that they haven't p!ssed their money away on us, they've invested it in us, and they won't pull out as some people fear and some people from 'other' clubs would like.
 
Re: Dubai on its arse?

And how desperate are the dippers for still wanting the DIC people to buy them

Frying pan, fire anyone?
 
Re: Dubai on its arse?

Not going to affect us as Scall said, Abu Dhabi have around 9% of the world's oil reserves so are going to be super rich for quite some time.

Dubai never had anything like as much oil so they had to diversify (only 6% of their economy is now oil based) and some of the areas they have moved into (property/tourism) have been particularly hard hit in the recsession.
 
Re: Dubai on its arse?

Old news mate. Dubai has been broke for years (like 2 years) and Abu Dhabi have been bailing them out for ages. Billions of dollars have flowed from Abu Dhabi to literally stop the whole Dubai economy from going bust.
 
Re: Dubai on its arse?

the entire boom was founded on the islamic bonds that were designed to work around the ban on lending money with interest... the central dubai construction company is owned by the government, who have announced they want to delay payment on $60b of these debts. the interesting thing (scuse the pun) is that these legality of these bonds has never been tested in a court. the west accepted them on the basis of advice that the emirates would pay to avoid bringing shame upon themselves.... seems to have escaped people's attention that if you can't pay and your dad says he can't afford to bail you out...... you can't pay.
 

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