Dubai (Merged)

Re: Dubai on its arse?

Chippy_boy said:
Old news mate. Dubai has been broke for years (like 2 years) and Abu Dhabi have been bailing them out for ages. Billions of dollars have flowed from Abu Dhabi to literally stop the whole Dubai economy from going bust.
It's not old news - if it was old news World Stock Markets would not have plunged by an average of 3%

One of Dubai's main Investment Companies has effectively defaulted on its debt repayments which means the impact spreads out beyond Dubai.

Abu Dhabi may well have oil wealth behind it, but its central bank has sunk money into Dubai to help prop up the failing Emirate, and will be expected to do so again.
 
Re: Dubai

Know a guy who has construction machinery over there, He's got 70% less machinery in Dubai now than he had in 2006 ans said that there are projects there that will never be finished because the money has dried up.
 
Credit Crunch hits the Gulf

Just got in to hear news about massive debts in Dubai......then news reader said "of course Abu Dhabi have loads of cash, but they won't give any to Dubai"...panic over
 
Re: Credit Crunch hits the Gulf

Macc Blue said:
Just got in to hear news about massive debts in Dubai......then news reader said "of course Abu Dhabi have loads of cash, but they won't give any to Dubai"...panic over
Dubai has been trying to raise Capital for sometime, and has made Cash calls on Abu Dhabi.

Earlier this year the central bank of UAE invested $10 Billion into a $20 Billion Bond issue, and a further $5 Billion has been raised with the assistance of 2 Abu Dhabi controlled banks.

Given that Dubai is an Emirate of the UAE, I would have thought that whole of the UAE will be hurt
 
Re: Dubai

The old news is that the Dubai economy has hit the skids, as a previous poster mentioned that happened 18 months ago. The new news is that Dubai are now unable to service their debt and are asking for more time. Thats what sent the stock market tumbling as a lot of UK money was pumped into Dubai at the height of the economical cycle there.

As someone else has said Abu Dhabi is not nearly so dependent on property/tourism.

See here from Reuters:-

"DUBAI (Reuters) - Dubai, the member of the United Arab Emirates federation in deep financial straits, is struggling to meet debt obligations of up to $80 billion.

On Wednesday, the government said it will ask creditors of its flagship firms Dubai World and property group Nakheel for a debt standstill as it restructures the Dubai World group.

WHO RUNS DUBAI?

Each of the seven emirates is run by its own ruling family, many of whose members have substantial business interests. Dubai is ruled by the Al Maktoum family. The line between personal property of rulers and Dubai "state" ownership is blurred.

WHAT ARE DUBAI'S MAIN COMPANIES? Dubai government owns three major corporate entities, Dubai Holding, run by Mohammed Al Gergawi; Dubai World, run by Sultan bin Sulayem; and the Investment Corporation of Dubai (ICD).

Last week Dubai's ruler reshuffled the board of ICD, which manages his wealth, bringing in two of his sons as directors and removing Gergawi and Mohamed Alabbar, chief of Emaar Properties.

WHICH MAJOR FIRMS DO THEY OWN?

Dubai World, Sheikh Mohammed bi Rashid al-Maktoum's investment vehicle, includes shipping giant DP World and developer Nakheel, which is behind the famous man-made palm-shaped islands which came to define Dubai in the minds of many around the world during the boom years.

Dubai Holding includes property developers Sama Dubai, Dubai Properties and Tatweer, which are all being merged with Alabbar's Emaar -- part of ICD. ICD also includes key entities involved in running the emirate, such as the Dubai Electricity & Water Authority and the Road and Transport Authority, as well as Dubai Aluminum (Dubal) and the flagship airline group Emirates.

DUBAI WORLD CAN'T MEET DEBT OBLIGATIONS?

Most of Dubai's debts, which have been exposed by the financial crisis, have arisen through Dubai World. Wednesday's announcement came about because the conglomerate wanted to delay repayment of a $3.5 billion sukuk bond due on December 14.

WHAT HAS ABU DHABI DONE?

Abu Dhabi, ruled by the Al Nahayan family, has not stepped in to directly bail out Dubai, which would carry direct political implications for Dubai's freedom of maneuver as a maverick member of the UAE. Dubai, for example, maintains wide trade links with Iran despite ongoing tensions between the UAE and the Islamic Republic over a territorial row and Iran's nuclear plans. A more influential Abu Duabi might want to curb such ties. The federal central bank, based in Abu Dhabi, has bought $10 billion from a $20 billion bond program announced by the Dubai government earlier this year. On Wednesday two Abu Dhabi banks bought another $5 billion worth of the bonds.

WHAT ABOUT ABU DHABI'S FINANCES?

Abu Dhabi is where most of the UAE's oil is located. The UAE, with a population of less than 5 million, is the world's third largest oil exporter and has the world's largest sovereign wealth fund, the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority. Its assets are thought to be worth around $500-$700 billion."
 
Re: Credit Crunch hits the Gulf

Marvin said:
Macc Blue said:
Just got in to hear news about massive debts in Dubai......then news reader said "of course Abu Dhabi have loads of cash, but they won't give any to Dubai"...panic over
Dubai has been trying to raise Capital for sometime, and has made Cash calls on Abu Dhabi.

Earlier this year the central bank of UAE invested $10 Billion into a $20 Billion Bond issue, and a further $5 Billion has been raised with the assistance of 2 Abu Dhabi controlled banks.

Given that Dubai is an Emirate of the UAE, I would have thought that whole of the UAE will be hurt

If it means we get the creative midfielder cum striker in January, then it's a price worth paying.
 
Abu Dhabi (ADUG) Refuses To Bail Out Dubai!!

Watching tonights Channel 4 news on the property/loans/money crisis that is threatening Dubai and it's ruler/Royal Family.(can't remember his name)

John Snow was speaking to/interviewing this guy(again can't rember his name) and he said that Abu Dhabi will not bail out Dubai and it will let it's neighbours various billion pound property related companies owned by the Dubai Royal Family go down.

We are safe brothers and the Scousers and Rags can all but forget about the Dubai Royal Family buying them in the future.

Summary from the Independent.

David Prosser: Dubai slides further into financial crisis

Outlook All is not well in Dubai, once a gleaming advertisement for the global economic boom. Dubai World, the state-owned conglomerate that includes the property developer Nakheel (responsible for the Palm Jumeirah) and DP World (the buyer of P&O's ports business), wants creditors to give it a six-month standstill on its $4bn of debt. Yesterday's announcement of that request sent much of the Middle East into a panic, with the cost of insuring against Dubai defaulting on its debts rising by a third almost immediately.


Dubai is sliding into financial meltdown even more quickly than its property boom took off, and is increasingly dependent on its wealthier neighbours in Abu Dhabi for support. It managed to sell $5bn of bonds to two state-controlled Abu Dhabi banks yesterday, but there seems to be little private sector appetite for Dubai debt, which the credit ratings agencies estimate adds up to at least $80bn.

Indeed, yesterday's bond issue was part of a $20bn issuance programme. There has been little detail of what has happened to the proceeds of the first $10bn raised and no explanation of why yesterday's bond sale, which was originally supposed to raise $10bn, managed only half that. To make matters worse, a political struggle at the highest levels of Dubai's ruling elite has seen sackings of some of the emirate's key financial figures and growing uncertainty.

Unlike Abu Dhabi and its other rival, Qatar, Dubai does not have massive oil reserves on which to fall back now that the property and financial cycles are in a downswing. Never mind the housing boom and bust seen in countries such as Britain, Dubai is rapidly turning into the perfect case study of what happens when a speculative asset price bubble suddenly pops.
 

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