bluemanc
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Eamon Dunphy
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Corky
Post subject: Re: Eamon Dunphy
"Shame there is not the same concern for the Eirecom League teams.
It is no wonder they are rubbish when a country turns its back on its own league for a bigger league in a different country."
I know where you're coming from but I can only agree up to a certain point.
Firstly, Association Football ranks far below Gaelic Football and Hurling in popularity in Ireland. In some pockets of the country it lags far behind Rugby Union and/or Horseracing too. So, in most of Ireland, young boys do not grow up dreaming of playing soccer for their local parish/city/county/province etc. and those teams that do represent those areas, are not then seen as "flagship" sides. Add to this, SKY showing the top players from around the world, in the legendary conviviality of an Irish pub versus standing out in the legendary pissing cold rain of an Irish winter to watch well... not the best players in the world and hey... you don't need to be Einstein to work out the popularity of the Premiership, do you?
Secondly, "Even a benign tree kills all in its shade". The English league is one of the strongest (and richest) in the world - and it's rammed down our throats by an omnipresent British media on an on-going basis. Added to this, the best players in Ireland are quickly snapped up by the top English (occasionally Scottish too) clubs; often before they can get a chance to enhance the Eircom League. It's a bit much to describe Ireland as being rubbish (only a handball from Henry and all that...) when you no doubt cheered Shay Given for saving penalties v Birmingham and Chelsea, the same as I did. Shay Given is just one player in the Premiership who never graced the Eircom League (Richard Dunne and Stephen Ireland are two others).
Thirdly, for better or for worse (let's not go there, eh?), the history of the two countries (Ireland and Britain) have been intertwined for longer than both of us have been around - and I dare say will continue to be so after at least one of us has popped his clogs. Why should sport be any different? It's not at all unusual, where I live, to see a car with Munster Rugby, Limerick Hurling and Manchester United stickers on same the back bumper. What harm? If somebody is enjoying their sport, aren't there bigger crimes to get worked up about?
Finally, you'd be surprised how aggressively the British Tourist Board markets the Premier League in Ireland. They have presumably done the research and recognise that the green euro (to coin a phrase) is making a contribution towards the British economy in this way (not least in the Lancashire area, I would say too). Not suggesting that it equals anything like the good Sheik's contributions but it's obviously enough to be worth the effort of going after, at the same time. So, on that evidence, the Irish obsession with the Premiership (not that it's universal, as I say) may not be all a bad thing for the UK. However much my countrymen annoy you/ embarrass me by asking for directions to Old Trafford...
Post subject: Re: Eamon Dunphy
"Shame there is not the same concern for the Eirecom League teams.
It is no wonder they are rubbish when a country turns its back on its own league for a bigger league in a different country."
I know where you're coming from but I can only agree up to a certain point.
Firstly, Association Football ranks far below Gaelic Football and Hurling in popularity in Ireland. In some pockets of the country it lags far behind Rugby Union and/or Horseracing too. So, in most of Ireland, young boys do not grow up dreaming of playing soccer for their local parish/city/county/province etc. and those teams that do represent those areas, are not then seen as "flagship" sides. Add to this, SKY showing the top players from around the world, in the legendary conviviality of an Irish pub versus standing out in the legendary pissing cold rain of an Irish winter to watch well... not the best players in the world and hey... you don't need to be Einstein to work out the popularity of the Premiership, do you?
Secondly, "Even a benign tree kills all in its shade". The English league is one of the strongest (and richest) in the world - and it's rammed down our throats by an omnipresent British media on an on-going basis. Added to this, the best players in Ireland are quickly snapped up by the top English (occasionally Scottish too) clubs; often before they can get a chance to enhance the Eircom League. It's a bit much to describe Ireland as being rubbish (only a handball from Henry and all that...) when you no doubt cheered Shay Given for saving penalties v Birmingham and Chelsea, the same as I did. Shay Given is just one player in the Premiership who never graced the Eircom League (Richard Dunne and Stephen Ireland are two others).
Thirdly, for better or for worse (let's not go there, eh?), the history of the two countries (Ireland and Britain) have been intertwined for longer than both of us have been around - and I dare say will continue to be so after at least one of us has popped his clogs. Why should sport be any different? It's not at all unusual, where I live, to see a car with Munster Rugby, Limerick Hurling and Manchester United stickers on same the back bumper. What harm? If somebody is enjoying their sport, aren't there bigger crimes to get worked up about?
Finally, you'd be surprised how aggressively the British Tourist Board markets the Premier League in Ireland. They have presumably done the research and recognise that the green euro (to coin a phrase) is making a contribution towards the British economy in this way (not least in the Lancashire area, I would say too). Not suggesting that it equals anything like the good Sheik's contributions but it's obviously enough to be worth the effort of going after, at the same time. So, on that evidence, the Irish obsession with the Premiership (not that it's universal, as I say) may not be all a bad thing for the UK. However much my countrymen annoy you/ embarrass me by asking for directions to Old Trafford...
whalley ranger
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mad4city said:Corky
Post subject: Re: Eamon Dunphy
"Shame there is not the same concern for the Eirecom League teams.
It is no wonder they are rubbish when a country turns its back on its own league for a bigger league in a different country."
I know where you're coming from but I can only agree up to a certain point.
Firstly, Association Football ranks far below Gaelic Football and Hurling in popularity in Ireland. In some pockets of the country it lags far behind Rugby Union and/or Horseracing too. So, in most of Ireland, young boys do not grow up dreaming of playing soccer for their local parish/city/county/province etc. and those teams that do represent those areas, are not then seen as "flagship" sides. Add to this, SKY showing the top players from around the world, in the legendary conviviality of an Irish pub versus standing out in the legendary pissing cold rain of an Irish winter to watch well... not the best players in the world and hey... you don't need to be Einstein to work out the popularity of the Premiership, do you?
Secondly, "Even a benign tree kills all in its shade". The English league is one of the strongest (and richest) in the world - and it's rammed down our throats by an omnipresent British media on an on-going basis. Added to this, the best players in Ireland are quickly snapped up by the top English (occasionally Scottish too) clubs; often before they can get a chance to enhance the Eircom League. It's a bit much to describe Ireland as being rubbish (only a handball from Henry and all that...) when you no doubt cheered Shay Given for saving penalties v Birmingham and Chelsea, the same as I did. Shay Given is just one player in the Premiership who never graced the Eircom League (Richard Dunne and Stephen Ireland are two others).
Thirdly, for better or for worse (let's not go there, eh?), the history of the two countries (Ireland and Britain) have been intertwined for longer than both of us have been around - and I dare say will continue to be so after at least one of us has popped his clogs. Why should sport be any different? It's not at all unusual, where I live, to see a car with Munster Rugby, Limerick Hurling and Manchester United stickers on same the back bumper. What harm? If somebody is enjoying their sport, aren't there bigger crimes to get worked up about?
Finally, you'd be surprised how aggressively the British Tourist Board markets the Premier League in Ireland. They have presumably done the research and recognise that the green euro (to coin a phrase) is making a contribution towards the British economy in this way (not least in the Lancashire area, I would say too). Not suggesting that it equals anything like the good Sheik's contributions but it's obviously enough to be worth the effort of going after, at the same time. So, on that evidence, the Irish obsession with the Premiership (not that it's universal, as I say) may not be all a bad thing for the UK. However much my countrymen annoy you/ embarrass me by asking for directions to Old Trafford...
Really good post mate, but market forces etc.
CELTICRORY
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mad4city said:Corky
Post subject: Re: Eamon Dunphy
"Shame there is not the same concern for the Eirecom League teams.
It is no wonder they are rubbish when a country turns its back on its own league for a bigger league in a different country."
I know where you're coming from but I can only agree up to a certain point.
Firstly, Association Football ranks far below Gaelic Football and Hurling in popularity in Ireland. In some pockets of the country it lags far behind Rugby Union and/or Horseracing too. So, in most of Ireland, young boys do not grow up dreaming of playing soccer for their local parish/city/county/province etc. and those teams that do represent those areas, are not then seen as "flagship" sides. Add to this, SKY showing the top players from around the world, in the legendary conviviality of an Irish pub versus standing out in the legendary pissing cold rain of an Irish winter to watch well... not the best players in the world and hey... you don't need to be Einstein to work out the popularity of the Premiership, do you?
Secondly, "Even a benign tree kills all in its shade". The English league is one of the strongest (and richest) in the world - and it's rammed down our throats by an omnipresent British media on an on-going basis. Added to this, the best players in Ireland are quickly snapped up by the top English (occasionally Scottish too) clubs; often before they can get a chance to enhance the Eircom League. It's a bit much to describe Ireland as being rubbish (only a handball from Henry and all that...) when you no doubt cheered Shay Given for saving penalties v Birmingham and Chelsea, the same as I did. Shay Given is just one player in the Premiership who never graced the Eircom League (Richard Dunne and Stephen Ireland are two others).
Thirdly, for better or for worse (let's not go there, eh?), the history of the two countries (Ireland and Britain) have been intertwined for longer than both of us have been around - and I dare say will continue to be so after at least one of us has popped his clogs. Why should sport be any different? It's not at all unusual, where I live, to see a car with Munster Rugby, Limerick Hurling and Manchester United stickers on same the back bumper. What harm? If somebody is enjoying their sport, aren't there bigger crimes to get worked up about?
Finally, you'd be surprised how aggressively the British Tourist Board markets the Premier League in Ireland. They have presumably done the research and recognise that the green euro (to coin a phrase) is making a contribution towards the British economy in this way (not least in the Lancashire area, I would say too). Not suggesting that it equals anything like the good Sheik's contributions but it's obviously enough to be worth the effort of going after, at the same time. So, on that evidence, the Irish obsession with the Premiership (not that it's universal, as I say) may not be all a bad thing for the UK. However much my countrymen annoy you/ embarrass me by asking for directions to Old Trafford...
We also have MNS here now, kinda like Match of the Day except it shows highlights from the Eircom League. I think it has helped boost its popularity a bit, also Shamrock Rovers got a new stadium which is very nice. Unfortunately my local team shut down a few months ago, no money, but had a very loyal fan base. Used to get all the lads from my school out to see them, its a shame so many teams are going like that.
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mad4city said:Corky
Post subject: Re: Eamon Dunphy
"Shame there is not the same concern for the Eirecom League teams.
It is no wonder they are rubbish when a country turns its back on its own league for a bigger league in a different country."
I know where you're coming from but I can only agree up to a certain point.
Firstly, Association Football ranks far below Gaelic Football and Hurling in popularity in Ireland. In some pockets of the country it lags far behind Rugby Union and/or Horseracing too. So, in most of Ireland, young boys do not grow up dreaming of playing soccer for their local parish/city/county/province etc. and those teams that do represent those areas, are not then seen as "flagship" sides. Add to this, SKY showing the top players from around the world, in the legendary conviviality of an Irish pub versus standing out in the legendary pissing cold rain of an Irish winter to watch well... not the best players in the world and hey... you don't need to be Einstein to work out the popularity of the Premiership, do you?
Secondly, "Even a benign tree kills all in its shade". The English league is one of the strongest (and richest) in the world - and it's rammed down our throats by an omnipresent British media on an on-going basis. Added to this, the best players in Ireland are quickly snapped up by the top English (occasionally Scottish too) clubs; often before they can get a chance to enhance the Eircom League. It's a bit much to describe Ireland as being rubbish (only a handball from Henry and all that...) when you no doubt cheered Shay Given for saving penalties v Birmingham and Chelsea, the same as I did. Shay Given is just one player in the Premiership who never graced the Eircom League (Richard Dunne and Stephen Ireland are two others).
Thirdly, for better or for worse (let's not go there, eh?), the history of the two countries (Ireland and Britain) have been intertwined for longer than both of us have been around - and I dare say will continue to be so after at least one of us has popped his clogs. Why should sport be any different? It's not at all unusual, where I live, to see a car with Munster Rugby, Limerick Hurling and Manchester United stickers on same the back bumper. What harm? If somebody is enjoying their sport, aren't there bigger crimes to get worked up about?
Finally, you'd be surprised how aggressively the British Tourist Board markets the Premier League in Ireland. They have presumably done the research and recognise that the green euro (to coin a phrase) is making a contribution towards the British economy in this way (not least in the Lancashire area, I would say too). Not suggesting that it equals anything like the good Sheik's contributions but it's obviously enough to be worth the effort of going after, at the same time. So, on that evidence, the Irish obsession with the Premiership (not that it's universal, as I say) may not be all a bad thing for the UK. However much my countrymen annoy you/ embarrass me by asking for directions to Old Trafford...
Have to agree with ya in most of the post.
I mean you're right, very little kids grow up wanting to be x, y, z, now they might want to be, as it was, Roy Keane, Shay Given..etc but you'd find little wanting to play for Chelsea when they're older so never mind Cork City or whatever the fuck they are now. Clubs are going belly up every 5 mins these days.
Besides football lagging behind in popularity in parts, we still have to sit through blocks, back to back hours of Premiership Saturday, CL Tues and Weds..while I'm sitting there like a twit watching Sunday Sport, waiting for them to show the Cork hurling match, they show 18 mins of the Kilkenny game and just tell us the results of the fuckin Cork game, and I've wasted a good hour plus of my life..18 mins of one hurling game, and they get hours back to back of football.
Very little of the Irish players over in England have played in the League. It is nice, and it was funny to see the reaction in the media when players like Kevin Doyle are brought from their club (for peanuts like, which is a disgrace of the highest order) and go and be succesfull. But if our players are bought, they pay fuck all. But you've got bias and because it's not pure loyalty to clubs, but have soft spots for Irish players.
As for the Irish team, we nearly always punch well above our weight in the comps and we bring decent supporters, who know how to have a good time, and mix with the other supporters, without starting fights or booing our own team.
Limerick hurling, Munster, Man U..what a fuckin disgrace..I mean..Limerick hurling? What a state their in, another full blown "strike"..typical Limerick trying to out do Cork. ;)
No in fairness you're dead on there, Cork GAA/Munster/Man U would be an incredibly common thing to see in supporters here. It's not uncommon to see a guy wearing a Cork jearsey at a Munster match talking about the Man U game the night before.
It's just the way it is.
But you're right. We don't go looking for it, it's shoved down our throats.
I mean I'd rather get GAA have as much coverage as football gets, all right they show a fair load during the summer, but I like being able to come home from the games, and if we've won, sit and watch them again..not wait and if we're lucky get 18mins of highlights and that'd be that for the week.
And when the WC is on..so help us all. Yes I would much rather prefer seeing Cork v Tipp in Thurles on a sunny day (here's hoping) in summer, instead of football being shoved down our throats, but that's what it is. I like it, I do, but give us a break. It's not an obsession, it's just good marketing.