Ebola Outbreak

Pell said:
Markt85 said:
Kris_Musampa said:


Over 3000 dead and rising...

And run of the mill flu kills 30,000 a year in the US alone on average.


But it only kills the very old, young or people with underlying health problems. Anyway with flu already killing that many you don't want to have to worry about Ebola too do you?
 
denislawsbackheel said:
Nightmare Walking said:
Has any virus ever mutated to change the way it infects people? HIV has been around for years and infected millions yet it has never mutated and gone airborne.

Syphilis killed within a year of catching it in the 15th century.

It then mutated into the much slower killer of today.


I mean in the mode of transmission. Has any virus ever gone from one where you have to come into contact with bodily fluid like HIV and then mutated into one which is airborne?

I appreciate all virus' are constantly mutating otherwise they would not survive. But has the mode of transmission ever changed?
 
BlueBearBoots said:
Pell said:
Markt85 said:
Over 3000 dead and rising...

And run of the mill flu kills 30,000 a year in the US alone on average.


But it only kills the very old, young or people with underlying health problems. Anyway with flu already killing that many you don't want to have to worry about Ebola too do you?

And likewise the UK is not West Africa. I heard all this before with sars, bird flu, swine flu, mad cow/foot in mouth whatever.
 
Pell said:
Markt85 said:
Kris_Musampa said:


Over 3000 dead and rising...

And run of the mill flu kills 30,000 a year in the US alone on average.

That's fair enough. Clearly if it just went away now then as harsh as it sounds, 3000 of the world's population is not much (although try telling that to anyone who has loast a loved one). I think it is how bad it could be if it did become a pandemic that is the concern. Flu is around every year, presumably millions catch it around the world and a tiny percentage die. If this spreads like flu and kills 70% of those who catch it then it could be truly catastrophic. Of course it may not become a pandemic, nobody knows at the moment but I think it has the potential to. All ifs and buts admittedly and I'm not suggesting it is worth panicking about but I think totally dismissing it as a potential issue is a little complacent. As for comparing it to the ozone layer, well that was a genuine issue, they introduced regulations concerning the things that were destroying it and over a couple of decades it has more or less replenished itself. But if people had just said, "who gives a shit it's just scare mongering" then I suspect we would be having real problems now.
 
blueonblue said:
How the hell can we send 400 "Volunteers" from a health service that regularly has to cancel operations due to staff shortages ?, on what fucking planet does it make sense to ship out trained staff when there is a good chance we will be needing them even more here before much longer.

Ebola is being down played by the nonsensical idea that it could be contained with the levels of healthcare available here, yet we have a shortage of IC beds just for normal hospital cases, they are just going to stop are they ?, do people think we have isolation unit beds just stood about fully staffed waiting for this kind of shit to hit the fan.

As the previous poster says, sending people over there is stupid in the extreme when it makes far more sense to restrict travel to and from the region.

^^^
This, this and very much this!
 
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29518342" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29518342</a>

Good old Blighty eh? Stiff upper lip and all that, we're all safe here nothing to worry about...oh....



(From the above link)

There are no plans to introduce Ebola screening for those arriving in the UK, Public Health England (PHE) has said.

About 3,400 people, mainly from Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea, have died in the current outbreak.

President Barack Obama said on Monday that the US planned to screen incoming air passengers for the virus.

But PHE said this was not recommended by the World Health Organization and would mean screening "huge numbers of low-risk people".

It also said if a case of Ebola was reported in the UK, the affected person would be isolated and protective measures would be implemented.

Dr Brian McCloskey, director of global health at PHE, said: "Our robust, well-developed and well-tested NHS systems for managing unusual infectious diseases are all active permanently, and always available and regularly tested and proven to be effective.

"The overall risk of Ebola to the UK remains low."

On Tuesday, it was announced that a Spanish nurse was diagnosed with Ebola in Madrid, making her the first person outside Africa to contract the disease.

In August, British nurse William Pooley, 29, caught Ebola while treating patients in Sierra Leone, but recovered after receiving treatment in the UK.

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Justine Greening: "We have incredibly stringent procedures here in the UK"
There are 40 flights a week arriving in the UK from three West African countries - Nigeria, Ghana and The Gambia.

British Airways recently suspended flights to Liberia and Sierra Leone due to the "deteriorating public health situation" in the two countries.

Meanwhile, more than 100 British army medics will be sent there to fight Ebola, the government has announced.

Personnel from the 22 Field Hospital have undergone extensive training in preparation for their deployment and will staff a unit specifically set up to treat medics who have caught the disease.

Armed forces minister Mark Francois said it was "critical" to give other medical workers "the comfort that if they were to become infected, they could go there and get the best medical treatment that we can provide".

Passengers leaving affected countries already have their temperatures checked, but people do not become infectious until they display symptoms.

The WHO recommends that affected countries conduct exit screening on those with unexplained illness consistent with potential Ebola infection.

Red Cross employees in Liberia disinfect themselves
International Development Secretary Justine Greening said the government was continuing to keep the issue of tighter travel restrictions under review.

"Obviously the Spanish authorities are now looking at how this case happened.

"It doesn't change the assessment of the risk to the UK.

"But what it does show is why we're right to be working with governments as we are in Sierra Leone to help them combat this disease.

"What we need to do is get those transmission rates back under control, but until that happens we will continue to see more infections and a growing number of infections over the coming weeks."

Professor John Oxford, a virologist at Queen Mary University, told the BBC all doctors have been written to about Ebola.

He said: "Every doctor has been warned to look out for people coming into hospitals, taking the proper case history and not letting anything slip at that stage and taking it very seriously.

"Everyone is on the look-out and that's how it should be."

He said an outbreak of the virus in the UK was unlikely, compared with West Africa.

He added: "The virus is very fragile and easily destroyed by hot water, soap and detergent.

"So in a country where the infrastructure is good, where the hygiene level is good, where every house has running chlorinated water, a virus like this will find it exceedingly difficult to make a move."

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Ebola virus disease
Ebola virus
Symptoms include high fever, bleeding and central nervous system damage
Spread by body fluids, such as blood and saliva
Fatality rate can reach 90% - but current outbreak has mortality rate of about 70%
Incubation period is two to 21 days
There is no proven vaccine or cure
Supportive care such as rehydrating patients who have diarrhoea and vomiting can help recovery
Fruit bats, a delicacy for some West Africans, are considered to be virus's natural host
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Lucy Moreton, general secretary of the ISU - the union for borders, immigration and customs - said members were concerned about coming into contact with the virus.

She said she had spoken to a border force official who said there were no firm plans to change what was currently in place.

She said: "Nothing that is proposed by the US at this point would have detected the case they currently have.

"No amount of screening for fever before departure would have caught that.

"It's better than nothing but it's not a universal solution, it's not going to stop this spreading in the way it has.

"There are lots of other threats to world health and clearly that has to be a sensible precaution where it can be implemented.

"The risk remains very low and we have robust procedures in place at borders anyway."
 
Spanish medics have walked out of the hospital in Madrid and are protesting outside, apparently the protective clothing they have been given is substandard
 
blue underpants said:
Spanish medics have walked out of the hospital in Madrid and are protesting outside, apparently the protective clothing they have been given is substandard


FFs! Someone has tried to cut costs by providing PPE not up to scratch??
 
Nightmare Walking said:
denislawsbackheel said:
Nightmare Walking said:
Has any virus ever mutated to change the way it infects people? HIV has been around for years and infected millions yet it has never mutated and gone airborne.

Syphilis killed within a year of catching it in the 15th century.

It then mutated into the much slower killer of today.


I mean in the mode of transmission. Has any virus ever gone from one where you have to come into contact with bodily fluid like HIV and then mutated into one which is airborne?

I appreciate all virus' are constantly mutating otherwise they would not survive. But has the mode of transmission ever changed?


we have been studying viruses for over 100 years and yet have never seen a human virus change mode of transmission,
HIV-1 has been around since the early 1900 and its still transmitted by body fluids as Ebola is, same with Hepatitis c , its not an exact science but stats say it will never become airborn
 
They have put the nurses dog down saying the dog could transmit Ebola, WTF is going on?
 

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