citytill1die84
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Come on Brazilian press where's the fucking leaks? :-)
Ederson (defensive midfielder Atalanta)
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EL APACHE TEVEZ
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Pedro del dinho from el copacabana beach news is saying it done!!
No. I just think differently sometimes.
Sure,we dont currently have our superstar DM. But the reason why we suck (outside of general aging) is NOT because we don't have our DM. Rather its because we don't have our Superstar player who just happens to be s DM.
We shouldn't confuse the 2. What we need is an infusion of superb talent in Central Midfield,not some specialized steel at the specific position our a superstar plays. Unless most forget, Rodri himself is no Nigel De Jong. He is just special at so many things put together and understands Pep's vision almost perfectly.
Ederson is an inferior Bruno Giimaraes with far worse range and a bit more tackle in him. If you think what we need is a DM with steel, you have an unbelievable misunderstanding of what makes us tick.
For those who have liked your post, let me explain, it is what we do in possession that is the key to our greatness. What we do out of possession is only secondary to that point, and really a failure in our possession csnnot be solved with more tackling.
Our game for better or worse is predicated on our possession. The best players at doing that, are the best fits for us period!!!
Some decent player who's a great tackler may improve us in the short run because of our ,aging core, but long-term and when our superstar returns will be a general detriment. We may potentially slow walking into the next Kalvin Phillips with the kind of thinking im seeing.
Whoever we get should be able to play with or next to Rodri when he returns. A bonafide star. In my mind, its not a Rodri replacement we are looking for, but rather a peak Bernardo/Gundogan replacement
What Ederson strikes me as ( and i could be off here) is a Brazilian Kalvin Phillips. And I'm simply not that excited about that
I want the Dutch Gundo/Bernardo mix. People forget at his peak Gundo benched Fernandihno at the 6 position in a title run-in. Thats the vision of who i am pinning for... A superb 8 who can play 6 in a pinch.
But to each there own.
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Fernandinho didn't get benched he was injured. Gündogan did a superb job at filling in for him, but that was what he did. Fernandinho were a huge part of why that 17-19 team were so good.
Also disagreed with everything else, but opinions are opinions.
Nope, your facts are wrong. If you are injured you are out of the squad. If you sre on the bench and come in sometimes to add steel in midfield or cover at RB but aren't starting at your normal position you used to start in, that is the definition of being benched
He went down Gundogan took over and did it so well that when Dihno returned, he returned to the bench and never re assumed the 6 position. Gundo played it out.
I said nothing about whether Dihno played a huge part or not, so that's an irrelevant assertion. Obviously he did. Its not a denigration of Dihno rather it highlights peak Gundo and the value of such a player to a ream like ours
The point is to highlight the type of player that we need in light of how we play. A report likening Ederson to Gatusso makes me sigh
. Can someone please tell me who Gattuzzo would have benched in the treble winning side? I mean we know its not Rodri, so Bernado? Gundogan? Kev?
I too like those intense cover every blade tackling machine types. But i simply recognize its not what makes Man City tick. We are not Atletico Madrid. Some players who would be spectacular for them will be average for us.
To conclude, id pay double to have the best technical box to box CM over the best Gatuzzo type DM/CM.
That's just how o see it.
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Have you seen our bench this season? If you are injured you can definitely still be in the squad.
But Fernandinho weren't. He was injured
Outside of Fulham where he was eased back he started evey game he was available in. Even squeezed starts out of him against Spurs and United
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I can tell you you are off. Ederson is NOT a Brazilian Kalvin Phillips. Go watch the Atalanta games vs, Liverpool and Leverkusen in last year's Europa League and then tell me he's a Kalvin Phillips...
Agsin, this doesn't tell the whole story:
Again this started at Newcastle. Before that game Diyno was the unquestioned starter. We lost 2-1 and Dihno couldn't play the next game ( accumulated yellow or a strain, cant remember) Gundo came in and we beat Arsenal and the football was scintillating. We mauled them.
From that point on Gundo assumed the mantle of starting DM with Dihno being the DM that started smaller games or joined Gundo in midfield in big games.
Normally when healthy Dihno simply replaced the reaerve Gundo. But in the next match against Everton, he simply joined Gunso as a double pivot and also against Chemsea.
At that point Gundo was the key starter. In the next match against Newport, Gundo was rested and Dihno started. 4 days later in the more important Chsmpions league game Gundo started at DM with and Dijno was moved to CB
Then in the EFL cup, Gundo was rested and Dihno started. Then in the important league game 3 gays later again Gundo is DM. And he plays the next 3 league games as we chase down Liverpool and the team is humming. At that point, he was the undisputed starter. Dihno was the auxiliary mid when healthy.
The Leed's Phillips not ours. :)
Defo not ours...I don't think KP ever got around the pitch like Ederson does tho...even at Leeds...
By the way, i have watched Ederson a few times. Or put differently, ive watched Atalanta a few times. But never in any of them had i ever thought, WOW! Who is that number 13?
Frankly, i had to go watch his highlights to see what all the fuss was about. The highlights look decent. Nothing extraordinary. Lots of hard sliding tackles and some nifty moves hee and there.
Its no surprise he didn't stand out to me. Im guessing he didn't make all those sliding tackles in just 1 game.
Im not suggesting he isn't a good player by the way, i just think a different type of player might be better for us
It does seem like a fernando type buy
With all due respect I think you may be getting way carried away...
Out of curiosity who did stand out to you when Atalanta were playing Liverpool and Leverkusen off the park? Lookman did his thing but ya can't dominate a match like that from the front. Koopmeiners stood out, but he's gone and Atalanta hasn't skipped a beat. I'm not saying Ederson is a superstar. But I am saying he has intangible qualities that contribute greatly to winning football matches. Not the type of player it would upset me to see in the squad.
Yes, i'd say Ademola stood out of group,
But then again, I'm biased. I pay closer attention to Nigerian players anyway. So i was always going to watch Lookman. He was good and had some amazing games in the run in. I think he had a purple patch. Seen him for Nigeria and he is a lot more hit or miss.And more miss than hit. Good dribbler who makes lots of bad decisions.
Funny enough, Aina, another player linked to us, is my favorite player on the National team. But i don't think he is up to our standards.
Anyway, i thought as a team they, Atalanta, played an exciting brand of football, but i didn't find anyone to be a stand out.
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Did anyone hear about this guy they call Rodri before Pep made him into the best player in the world? How about Fernandinho?
The key is often NOT that the player is tearing it up in his own team or league, it’s that he has the qualities you are looking for to add to your own team!
The key is often NOT that the player is tearing it up in his own team or league, it’s that he has the qualities you are looking for to add to your own team!
Yes! I think I and i believe it was Delphino were adamant Rodri was the DM we should get and that hed be the perfect fit. At the time, most preferred another Brazilian... He ended up at United so i wont judge him on that. But we sure did get the right one.:)
Ad for Dihno, NO!. Didnt watch enough Russia/Ukrainian football to have an idea what we were getting.
Good seeing you here Chicago :)... Leys hipe Foggy shows here soon. :)
He is probably over on the Liverpool transfer forum looking ro disagree with me :p
Yes! I think I and i believe it was Delphino were adamant Rodri was the DM we should get and that hed be the perfect fit. At the time, most preferred another Brazilian... He ended up at United so i wont judge him on that. But we sure did get the right one.:)
As for Dihno, NO!. Didnt watch enough Russia/Ukrainian football to have an idea what we were getting.
Good seeing you here Chicago :)... Leys hipe Foggy shows here soon. :)
He is probably over on the Liverpool transfer forum looking to disagree with me :p
Wretched Vengeance
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Charles De Ketelaere I think this lad is one to watch.
Didn't he use to suck somewhere else before finding form at ATL? Kinda like Lookman? Or am i confusing him with someone else.