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RICK SLICK said:
Simply put, Bernardo is the most talented Portguese player of this generation. Most here agree that he's more talented than Ronaldo (work ethics and athleticism + a good coach in Ferguson got Cristiano where he is more so than raw talent). Will he turn out too be as good or achieve as much? I don't know, mainly because of his position on the field, which is relatively low-profile and not that of a serial goal scorer. Nor is Bernardo that kind of player, mind. He's an Iniesta (whom I think's a better player than Ronaldo anyway, so yeah, it's confusing).

I first got to watch him at our academy in Seixal, he was always the stand out player. Like it's been quoted in some story posted here, because he's so small, he developed some incredible dribbling and ball possession skills to even it out against the bulkier guys. I've never seen a player like him come from Portuguese youth ranks - he's a Cantera kind of guy, one you'd expect to come from, say, Barça's La Masia. He's a Guardiola type of player if I've seen one. The comparisons with David Silva are reasonable and logical, think he can learn a lot from the spaniard. I think the old technique vs strength adagio applies - his skill will compensante his small size in the Prem. A bit like David, Kevin and Coutinho are any defence's nightmare.

One thing Bernardo will be helpful at is opening spaces. Not just because of his incisive and clinical through balls, but because whenever he runs upfield with the ball on his feet, he seems to attrack defenders like a magnet, all trying to dispossess him (and failing) - suddenly, they've been compromised and all caught out of position. I can already see this happening, him galloping through the middle with the ball attached to him, attracting CBs and FBs alike while guys like Sane make a run for it on the sides, which have been left completely open. I think it's this traait that has motivated the comparisons to Messi.

That said, his stats are misleading. He might have had 10 or so assists, but Bernardo assists the assists, and that is not taken into account. He's a creative midfielder more than an offencive one, to be fair. Which makes the amount of goals scored even more impressive. A trademark Bernardo play goes something like this:

- Receives the ball from CB or defencive midfielder.
- Progresses upfield with the ball attached to his left foot while attracting every defender.
- Passes to one of the wings or full backs, if they're on the attack.
- Winger/Full Back assists.

He can do much more, of course, including a more possession based sort football instead of all-out counter attacking like they did at Monaco. One thing which is noticeable from his videos is how he times everything perfectly, and knows how and when to pass the ball back if there are no viable options up front. He just won't give pocession away, and that's something that pleases Pep. Pep would rather see the ball go all the way back to the goalkeeper than losing because of some silly, badly measured pass.

He's also good defensively, he backtracks a lot and from time to time even gets the ball back. The fact that he backtracks probably has more to do with the way he plays, though, since he likes to progress from his own mid field. Oh, and I don't think he'll always last the full 90 minutes. You should take that into account and get used quickly. Perhaps with time he'll gain more stamina, but asking 90' Premier League minutes out of him is still too much.

Hope I was able to help. Perhaps a mod would like to move this to the Bernardo thread? Don't want to be off-topic.



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*sniff sniff*
 
The Riot Club said:
The airports themselves have room, it's the airspace around them that would get a bit interesting!

An understandable fear, best avoiding an unplanned swim if possible. North Sea is bloody cold.
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that's probably what i heard or read (or made up) then,
that there isn't enough airspace for them all to land suddenly all at once at all the airports of the world.
is there a scenario whereby that eventuality might be called upon to actually happen?

yes, it was the training that i couldn't face.
i have steel-like nerves in general,
but learning how to get out of a cockpit in deep water would genuinely have induced heart failure.
i envy you, the thrill of piloting those fuckers must be extraordinary.

(this is a bit like a chekhov play, two subjects being discussed simultaneously)
 
Cheers pal, your input is much appreciated and your English is perfect.
RICK SLICK said:
Simply put, Bernardo is the most talented Portguese player of this generation. Most here agree that he's more talented than Ronaldo (work ethics and athleticism + a good coach in Ferguson got Cristiano where he is more so than raw talent). Will he turn out too be as good or achieve as much? I don't know, mainly because of his position on the field, which is relatively low-profile and not that of a serial goal scorer. Nor is Bernardo that kind of player, mind. He's an Iniesta (whom I think's a better player than Ronaldo anyway, so yeah, it's confusing).

I first got to watch him at our academy in Seixal, he was always the stand out player. Like it's been quoted in some story posted here, because he's so small, he developed some incredible dribbling and ball possession skills to even it out against the bulkier guys. I've never seen a player like him come from Portuguese youth ranks - he's a Cantera kind of guy, one you'd expect to come from, say, Barça's La Masia. He's a Guardiola type of player if I've seen one. The comparisons with David Silva are reasonable and logical, think he can learn a lot from the spaniard. I think the old technique vs strength adagio applies - his skill will compensante his small size in the Prem. A bit like David, Kevin and Coutinho are any defence's nightmare.

One thing Bernardo will be helpful at is opening spaces. Not just because of his incisive and clinical through balls, but because whenever he runs upfield with the ball on his feet, he seems to attrack defenders like a magnet, all trying to dispossess him (and failing) - suddenly, they've been compromised and all caught out of position. I can already see this happening, him galloping through the middle with the ball attached to him, attracting CBs and FBs alike while guys like Sane make a run for it on the sides, which have been left completely open. I think it's this traait that has motivated the comparisons to Messi.

That said, his stats are misleading. He might have had 10 or so assists, but Bernardo assists the assists, and that is not taken into account. He's a creative midfielder more than an offencive one, to be fair. Which makes the amount of goals scored even more impressive. A trademark Bernardo play goes something like this:

- Receives the ball from CB or defencive midfielder.
- Progresses upfield with the ball attached to his left foot while attracting every defender.
- Passes to one of the wings or full backs, if they're on the attack.
- Winger/Full Back assists.

He can do much more, of course, including a more possession based sort football instead of all-out counter attacking like they did at Monaco. One thing which is noticeable from his videos is how he times everything perfectly, and knows how and when to pass the ball back if there are no viable options up front. He just won't give pocession away, and that's something that pleases Pep. Pep would rather see the ball go all the way back to the goalkeeper than losing because of some silly, badly measured pass.

He's also good defensively, he backtracks a lot and from time to time even gets the ball back. The fact that he backtracks probably has more to do with the way he plays, though, since he likes to progress from his own mid field. Oh, and I don't think he'll always last the full 90 minutes. You should take that into account and get used quickly. Perhaps with time he'll gain more stamina, but asking 90' Premier League minutes out of him is still too much.

Hope I was able to help. Perhaps a mod would like to move this to the Bernardo thread? Don't want to be off-topic.



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You could be describing our Dave to a tee there.
 
RICK SLICK said:
Simply put, Bernardo is the most talented Portguese player of this generation. Most here agree that he's more talented than Ronaldo (work ethics and athleticism + a good coach in Ferguson got Cristiano where he is more so than raw talent). Will he turn out too be as good or achieve as much? I don't know, mainly because of his position on the field, which is relatively low-profile and not that of a serial goal scorer. Nor is Bernardo that kind of player, mind. He's an Iniesta (whom I think's a better player than Ronaldo anyway, so yeah, it's confusing).

I first got to watch him at our academy in Seixal, he was always the stand out player. Like it's been quoted in some story posted here, because he's so small, he developed some incredible dribbling and ball possession skills to even it out against the bulkier guys. I've never seen a player like him come from Portuguese youth ranks - he's a Cantera kind of guy, one you'd expect to come from, say, Barça's La Masia. He's a Guardiola type of player if I've seen one. The comparisons with David Silva are reasonable and logical, think he can learn a lot from the spaniard. I think the old technique vs strength adagio applies - his skill will compensante his small size in the Prem. A bit like David, Kevin and Coutinho are any defence's nightmare.

One thing Bernardo will be helpful at is opening spaces. Not just because of his incisive and clinical through balls, but because whenever he runs upfield with the ball on his feet, he seems to attrack defenders like a magnet, all trying to dispossess him (and failing) - suddenly, they've been compromised and all caught out of position. I can already see this happening, him galloping through the middle with the ball attached to him, attracting CBs and FBs alike while guys like Sane make a run for it on the sides, which have been left completely open. I think it's this traait that has motivated the comparisons to Messi.

That said, his stats are misleading. He might have had 10 or so assists, but Bernardo assists the assists, and that is not taken into account. He's a creative midfielder more than an offencive one, to be fair. Which makes the amount of goals scored even more impressive. A trademark Bernardo play goes something like this:

- Receives the ball from CB or defencive midfielder.
- Progresses upfield with the ball attached to his left foot while attracting every defender.
- Passes to one of the wings or full backs, if they're on the attack.
- Winger/Full Back assists.

He can do much more, of course, including a more possession based sort football instead of all-out counter attacking like they did at Monaco. One thing which is noticeable from his videos is how he times everything perfectly, and knows how and when to pass the ball back if there are no viable options up front. He just won't give pocession away, and that's something that pleases Pep. Pep would rather see the ball go all the way back to the goalkeeper than losing because of some silly, badly measured pass.

He's also good defensively, he backtracks a lot and from time to time even gets the ball back. The fact that he backtracks probably has more to do with the way he plays, though, since he likes to progress from his own mid field. Oh, and I don't think he'll always last the full 90 minutes. You should take that into account and get used quickly. Perhaps with time he'll gain more stamina, but asking 90' Premier League minutes out of him is still too much.

Hope I was able to help. Perhaps a mod would like to move this to the Bernardo thread? Don't want to be off-topic.



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I don't know if you are right but I'm loving what you write mate.
 
RICK SLICK said:
Hope I was able to help.
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you were. thanks for the time it took you, much appreciated.

RICK SLICK said:
Don't want to be off-topic.
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why not?
it's all the rage.
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RICK SLICK said:
Simply put, Bernardo is the most talented Portguese player of this generation. Most here agree that he's more talented than Ronaldo (work ethics and athleticism + a good coach in Ferguson got Cristiano where he is more so than raw talent). Will he turn out too be as good or achieve as much? I don't know, mainly because of his position on the field, which is relatively low-profile and not that of a serial goal scorer. Nor is Bernardo that kind of player, mind. He's an Iniesta (whom I think's a better player than Ronaldo anyway, so yeah, it's confusing).

I first got to watch him at our academy in Seixal, he was always the stand out player. Like it's been quoted in some story posted here, because he's so small, he developed some incredible dribbling and ball possession skills to even it out against the bulkier guys. I've never seen a player like him come from Portuguese youth ranks - he's a Cantera kind of guy, one you'd expect to come from, say, Barça's La Masia. He's a Guardiola type of player if I've seen one. The comparisons with David Silva are reasonable and logical, think he can learn a lot from the spaniard. I think the old technique vs strength adagio applies - his skill will compensante his small size in the Prem. A bit like David, Kevin and Coutinho are any defence's nightmare.

One thing Bernardo will be helpful at is opening spaces. Not just because of his incisive and clinical through balls, but because whenever he runs upfield with the ball on his feet, he seems to attrack defenders like a magnet, all trying to dispossess him (and failing) - suddenly, they've been compromised and all caught out of position. I can already see this happening, him galloping through the middle with the ball attached to him, attracting CBs and FBs alike while guys like Sane make a run for it on the sides, which have been left completely open. I think it's this traait that has motivated the comparisons to Messi.

That said, his stats are misleading. He might have had 10 or so assists, but Bernardo assists the assists, and that is not taken into account. He's a creative midfielder more than an offencive one, to be fair. Which makes the amount of goals scored even more impressive. A trademark Bernardo play goes something like this:

- Receives the ball from CB or defencive midfielder.
- Progresses upfield with the ball attached to his left foot while attracting every defender.
- Passes to one of the wings or full backs, if they're on the attack.
- Winger/Full Back assists.

He can do much more, of course, including a more possession based sort football instead of all-out counter attacking like they did at Monaco. One thing which is noticeable from his videos is how he times everything perfectly, and knows how and when to pass the ball back if there are no viable options up front. He just won't give pocession away, and that's something that pleases Pep. Pep would rather see the ball go all the way back to the goalkeeper than losing because of some silly, badly measured pass.

He's also good defensively, he backtracks a lot and from time to time even gets the ball back. The fact that he backtracks probably has more to do with the way he plays, though, since he likes to progress from his own mid field. Oh, and I don't think he'll always last the full 90 minutes. You should take that into account and get used quickly. Perhaps with time he'll gain more stamina, but asking 90' Premier League minutes out of him is still too much.

Hope I was able to help. Perhaps a mod would like to move this to the Bernardo thread? Don't want to be off-topic.



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wow, what a post i just got 10x more excited for bernardo than i already was. can you tell us anything about carvalho ?
 
RICK SLICK said:
Simply put, Bernardo is the most talented Portguese player of this generation. Most here agree that he's more talented than Ronaldo (work ethics and athleticism + a good coach in Ferguson got Cristiano where he is more so than raw talent). Will he turn out too be as good or achieve as much? I don't know, mainly because of his position on the field, which is relatively low-profile and not that of a serial goal scorer. Nor is Bernardo that kind of player, mind. He's an Iniesta (whom I think's a better player than Ronaldo anyway, so yeah, it's confusing).

I first got to watch him at our academy in Seixal, he was always the stand out player. Like it's been quoted in some story posted here, because he's so small, he developed some incredible dribbling and ball possession skills to even it out against the bulkier guys. I've never seen a player like him come from Portuguese youth ranks - he's a Cantera kind of guy, one you'd expect to come from, say, Barça's La Masia. He's a Guardiola type of player if I've seen one. The comparisons with David Silva are reasonable and logical, think he can learn a lot from the spaniard. I think the old technique vs strength adagio applies - his skill will compensante his small size in the Prem. A bit like David, Kevin and Coutinho are any defence's nightmare.

One thing Bernardo will be helpful at is opening spaces. Not just because of his incisive and clinical through balls, but because whenever he runs upfield with the ball on his feet, he seems to attrack defenders like a magnet, all trying to dispossess him (and failing) - suddenly, they've been compromised and all caught out of position. I can already see this happening, him galloping through the middle with the ball attached to him, attracting CBs and FBs alike while guys like Sane make a run for it on the sides, which have been left completely open. I think it's this traait that has motivated the comparisons to Messi.

That said, his stats are misleading. He might have had 10 or so assists, but Bernardo assists the assists, and that is not taken into account. He's a creative midfielder more than an offencive one, to be fair. Which makes the amount of goals scored even more impressive. A trademark Bernardo play goes something like this:

- Receives the ball from CB or defencive midfielder.
- Progresses upfield with the ball attached to his left foot while attracting every defender.
- Passes to one of the wings or full backs, if they're on the attack.
- Winger/Full Back assists.

He can do much more, of course, including a more possession based sort football instead of all-out counter attacking like they did at Monaco. One thing which is noticeable from his videos is how he times everything perfectly, and knows how and when to pass the ball back if there are no viable options up front. He just won't give pocession away, and that's something that pleases Pep. Pep would rather see the ball go all the way back to the goalkeeper than losing because of some silly, badly measured pass.

He's also good defensively, he backtracks a lot and from time to time even gets the ball back. The fact that he backtracks probably has more to do with the way he plays, though, since he likes to progress from his own mid field. Oh, and I don't think he'll always last the full 90 minutes. You should take that into account and get used quickly. Perhaps with time he'll gain more stamina, but asking 90' Premier League minutes out of him is still too much.

Hope I was able to help. Perhaps a mod would like to move this to the Bernardo thread? Don't want to be off-topic.



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Wow!

What a fantastic answer. Thanks very much for that.

He sounds very much like our current Silva and if he can replicate Merlin's City career. He wi have a great time at Etihad.
 
Bloody hell the mail online gave me a giggle, on us buying this keeper...

'To be honest, with fan-favourite Hart out of the picture, at this stage the City faithful would probably take the ghost of Nicky Weaver between the sticks.'
 
TCIB said:
Bloody hell the mail online gave me a giggle, on us buying this keeper...

'To be honest, with fan-favourite Hart out of the picture, at this stage the City faithful would probably take the ghost of Nicky Weaver between the sticks.'
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It would have to be his ghost, Nicky would struggle to fit between them these days :)
 
calum down said:
that's probably what i heard or read (or made up) then,
that there isn't enough airspace for them all to land suddenly all at once at all the airports of the world.
is there a scenario whereby that eventuality might be called upon to actually happen?

yes, it was the training that i couldn't face.
i have steel-like nerves in general,
but learning how to get out of a cockpit in deep water would genuinely have induced heart failure.
i envy you, the thrill of piloting those fuckers must be extraordinary.

(this is a bit like a chekhov play, two subjects being discussed simultaneously)
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Not really, though a civvy mate might know better (if any are on here). Certain regions may get no-fly zone enforcements, or severe weather, but nothing worldwide that I can envisage.

It's not a bad view from the office it has to be said!
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
Not too shabby but a bit iffy with the ball at his feet.
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/blog/soccer...know-about-manchester-city-goalkeeping-target
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Sounds more like concentration than being iffy though. I'm sure there are loads of examples of Neuer being lackadaisical when he was 23. It will be something he can work on.

"More worryingly for Manchester City fans perhaps is the way he has been caught out with the ball at his feet. Whether owing to overconfidence of lack of concentration, a lackadaisical attitude when dealing with back passes has left him embarrassed on occasion"
 
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