Edin Dzeko (contract update page 370)

[Matty]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Needs to start the season the way he finished last season

He has been at City a good few years now and its about time he cements his place in the team without doubt

On his day he is as good as any striker in the league but he needs to start having those days more often than not

He's been here 3.5 years now and, after such a lengthy period of time, I think we have to accept tht the Edin Dzeko we've seen is the real Edin Dzeko. We can't be expecting, at this stage of his career, for him to become more consistent, or for him to improve his technique, or his attitude. He is what he is, and the club either accepts that and offers him a new deal, and we as fans accept that and ride the rough to get to the smooth, or they don't accept it and look to sell him this transfer window. I think it's likely to be the former and I don't see us getting to the end of August without Dzeko having a new deal.

There was a point last season where I felt the time had come for City and Dzeko to go their separate ways, for the good of both parties. Then we saw the real value of Dzeko, when Aguero and Jovetic were injured, and Negredo was in terrible form, it was Dzeko leading the line and, even when not playing too well, scoring the goals. We wouldn't be current Premier League Champions if it wasn't for Dzeko's contribution post Christmas. I wouldn't be disappointed if Dzeko signed a contract extension at this stage, as long as he's still scoring, and he's willing to accept that, on some occasions, he won't be the preferred starting option.

 

[wagonman]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Moderators hey!

Who would be one?

Why would anyone want to be a moderator?

Power trip?

I wouldn't be a moderator and what is more, if any forum boss asked me to be one I would leave the forum. I would never be a member of a forum that would have the likes of me as a moderator.

And... if anyone still doubts the value of Mr Edin Dzeko to Man City FC, he or she is an idiot and shouldn't be allowed access to a computer.

Some might consider that to be an opinion but it isn't...

it is a fact!


JJ

 

[Matty]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Moderators hey!

Who would be one?

Why would anyone want to be a moderator?

Power trip?

I wouldn't be a moderator and what is more, if any forum boss asked me to be one I would leave the forum. I would never be a member of a forum that would have the likes of me as a moderator.

And... if anyone still doubts the value of Mr Edin Dzeko to Man City FC, he or she is an idiot and shouldn't be allowed access to a computer.

Some might consider that to be an opinion but it isn't...

it is a fact!


JJ

Would you like to be a moderator?

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Bwhahahahahahahahahaha. Implying that Dzeko is better than Lewandowski, I've seen it all now.

Do you think he's better than Ronaldo aswell? I mean, he was the top scorer in the World Cup Qualifying European Section and Ronaldo played in that.

I see you haven't responded to my post. Lewandowski was unknown in 2011, he had only been signed in the summer, to suggest we would have signed him instead of somebody who had just scored at least 20 goals in the two previous Bundesliga seasons is beyond ludicrous. If the discussion is to continue you further I suggest you point out realistic alternative signings or continue to look like a petulant child who doesn't know what he is talking about.

You're misunderstanding. He hasn't suggested we should, or even would, have signed Lewandowski instead. What he's saying is, in the hypothetical situation where we actually DID sign Lewandowski instead, would we still have won the league? Given we now know what Lewandowski is capable of (something that wasn't fully known back then) it's a scenario worth considering. As I said earlier though, it's a difficult one to accurately assess.

Its a silly argument to make in the first place but if you are going to make it then it is worth suggesting realistic alternatives that would have replaced his goals. 1) it was inconceivable that we would have signed him in 2010. 2) It is very unlikely that we would have considered signing him in the summer of 2011 considering his goal return was not particularly impressive. Bayern had the deal wrapped up for RL ages ago and he only had eyes for them.

Take out Dzeko's goals and discount that he was bought at all, or even someone instead of him- Do we stick with Tevez or Adebayor?
Do we play a different formation, style etc? One thing is obvious is that Dzeko has rarely featured for a full season of games in which he has been the main striker, and had the formation tailored to bring the best out of him. RL had all of those things at Dortmund and performed better, but when compared with Dzeko on comparable seasons, there is no difference. As you say it is a difficult argument to go down in the first place, and can't be disproved either way. But what purpose is there in raising a hypothetical if it wouldn't ever have happened outside of someone's head? Would players of Manchester City perform better as a Quidditch or Futsal team?

 

[chris85mcfc]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Needs to start the season the way he finished last season

He has been at City a good few years now and its about time he cements his place in the team without doubt

On his day he is as good as any striker in the league but he needs to start having those days more often than not

He's been here 3.5 years now and, after such a lengthy period of time, I think we have to accept tht the Edin Dzeko we've seen is the real Edin Dzeko. We can't be expecting, at this stage of his career, for him to become more consistent, or for him to improve his technique, or his attitude. He is what he is, and the club either accepts that and offers him a new deal, and we as fans accept that and ride the rough to get to the smooth, or they don't accept it and look to sell him this transfer window. I think it's likely to be the former and I don't see us getting to the end of August without Dzeko having a new deal.

There was a point last season where I felt the time had come for City and Dzeko to go their separate ways, for the good of both parties. Then we saw the real value of Dzeko, when Aguero and Jovetic were injured, and Negredo was in terrible form, it was Dzeko leading the line and, even when not playing too well, scoring the goals. We wouldn't be current Premier League Champions if it wasn't for Dzeko's contribution post Christmas. I wouldn't be disappointed if Dzeko signed a contract extension at this stage, as long as he's still scoring, and he's willing to accept that, on some occasions, he won't be the preferred starting option.

And there lies the problem, he proved at the end of last season what he is capable of and therefore we should expect him to prove it more frequently. If he isn't capable of that and it is going to be a case of 2 out of 5 good performances with 2 uninterested performances and 1 shocker then he is going to have to accept that he will find himself on the bench more often than not, or that he won't have his contract renewed.

I like Dzeko, he's not a great striker but i like him and he seems a genuine guy, but at the end of the day the ball is in his court now and its up to him to prove that he is capable of performing more often, and if he can't do that then he will find himself at a lesser club.

He has a good opportunity now while Negredo is injured and Aguero is seemingly struggling with fitness, to lay down his marker for the season. If he can't do that then ill happily see Negredo and Aguero as the first choice pairing once they are both fit, unless one of them gets injured again or is in need of a rest.

 

[BlueTG]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Needs to start the season the way he finished last season

He has been at City a good few years now and its about time he cements his place in the team without doubt

On his day he is as good as any striker in the league but he needs to start having those days more often than not

He did, from about November last year.

 

[Matty]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Needs to start the season the way he finished last season

He has been at City a good few years now and its about time he cements his place in the team without doubt

On his day he is as good as any striker in the league but he needs to start having those days more often than not

He did, from about November last year.

Indeed, and Negredo proved the same, from August through to January.

Given you've got those 2 who, for periods, have proven what they can do, and Aguero, who for a more prolonged period, has proven he is better than our other options, and we play, at most, 2 strikers, then someone has to spend time on the bench. It's a natural bi-product of the modern squad based game.

 

[pudge]

Re: Edin Dzeko

I see you haven't responded to my post. Lewandowski was unknown in 2011, he had only been signed in the summer, to suggest we would have signed him instead of somebody who had just scored at least 20 goals in the two previous Bundesliga seasons is beyond ludicrous. If the discussion is to continue you further I suggest you point out realistic alternative signings or continue to look like a petulant child who doesn't know what he is talking about.

You're misunderstanding. He hasn't suggested we should, or even would, have signed Lewandowski instead. What he's saying is, in the hypothetical situation where we actually DID sign Lewandowski instead, would we still have won the league? Given we now know what Lewandowski is capable of (something that wasn't fully known back then) it's a scenario worth considering. As I said earlier though, it's a difficult one to accurately assess.

Its a silly argument to make in the first place but if you are going to make it then it is worth suggesting realistic alternatives that would have replaced his goals. 1) it was inconceivable that we would have signed him in 2010. 2) It is very unlikely that we would have considered signing him in the summer of 2011 considering his goal return was not particularly impressive. Bayern had the deal wrapped up for RL ages ago and he only had eyes for them.

Take out Dzeko's goals and discount that he was bought at all, or even someone instead of him- Do we stick with Tevez or Adebayor?
Do we play a different formation, style etc? One thing is obvious is that Dzeko has rarely featured for a full season of games in which he has been the main striker, and had the formation tailored to bring the best out of him. RL had all of those things at Dortmund and performed better, but when compared with Dzeko on comparable seasons, there is no difference. As you say it is a difficult argument to go down in the first place, and can't be disproved either way. But what purpose is there in raising a hypothetical if it wouldn't ever have happened outside of someone's head? Would players of Manchester City perform better as a Quidditch or Futsal team?

You seem incapable of comprehending or accepting the term "hypothetical"

However, Lewandowski was a career 1 goal in 2 striker before his move to Dortmund; 41 goals in 82 games, that is a rather impressive goal return.

In his first season in Germany he may only have scored 9 goals, however, that's exactly the same amount as Dzeko scored during his first season at Wolfsburg.

But again, it was merely a hypothetical situation.

 

[Puppet Master Silva]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Whilst telling someone to "piss off" isn't the greatest thing to do, the rest of his post isn't exactly hugely inaccurate. Dzeko has brought with him a large number of "fans" who are following the player as opposed to the club he actually plays for. In and of itself I don't have a huge issue with that. What those fans have to realise is that this isn't an Edin Dzeko website, and we aren't, specifically, Edin Dzeko fans. We are Manchester City fans. We want what is best for Manchester City, we were here before Edin Dzeko became a Manchester City player, and we will be here after Edin Dzeko ceases to be a (current) Manchester City player. What is best for Edin Dzeko isn't always going to be what is best for Manchester City. On occasion he'll be left on the bench, because that is what suits the team at that point. We are ok with that. They, in the main, are not. It's this different area of focus that cause the friction. And yes, after a while, it becomes exceedingly boring.

It's just as boring as the posters who look for the negatives in his game rather than the positives. Who are on this thread like flies round shit as soon as he misplaces a pass etc. Telling everyone he is a donkey, lampost, couldn't trap a bag of cement all this while he is contributing to us winning trophies. Many posters are Bosnian on this thread but even if someone posts a valid argument they are dismissed as Bosnian fanboys. If ever a thread needed a fresh start it's this one imo.

Whilst I'll agree there's an element of this it has to be said that this isn't the never ending "chicken and egg" conundrum. People make those types of overly negative posts as they feel they have been driven to it by the incessant head in the sand defensive nature of Dzeko's fans. If we were to trace this whole Dzeko issue back to it's beginnings I'd wager it went something like this:-

1 - Dzeko had one of his not too great performances (he does in fact have these).

2 - Someone posted a comment having a go at Dzeko about this, as happens to all City players when they put in a bad performance (or a selection of them).

3 - Someone, most likely a Dzeko fan new to the forum who is here because of Dzeko and not, necessarily City, responded defending Dzeko (a perfectly acceptable action).

4 - The debate continued until such time as the Dzeko fan was defending Dzeko in more and more unreasonable ways, refusing to accept any wrong doing on Dzeko's part etc (this is where the problem begins)

5 - The original poster, and other like minded members, becoming frustrated based upon point 4, start to become overly critical of Dzeko (not an ideal response, but one born out of frustration).

6 - Continue unabatedly to the present day............

I'm happy to hold my hands up and say I've been guilty of number 5 in the past, when I was fairly new to this thread. I like to think I'm past that now but regardless, a lot of the Bosnians still resort to petty name calling as opposed to admitting any Dzeko wrongdoing. It's an endless cycle in a way because they know from experience that they have to really do a lot to receive a ban.

 

[Zizi4City]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Because I said he wasn't a great footballer. Any form of criticism, no matter how legitimate, is actually hatred. This is exactly why they are fanboys.

Let's have a bit of a thought experiment. Let's say that back in 2011 we went out and bought a big striker from Germany who was ripping up trees.

That's pretend that we threw an extra few million at it and got Lewandowski rather than Dzeko. Does anybody think that we wouldn't have won the league?

Or would we????????????????

I belive that up to now Dzeko has little bit better record in Germany than Lewandowski. Edin and his former teammate Grafite are the most successful strike duo in Bundesliga history. Dzeko was twice Bundesliga top scorer with 26 and 22 goals scorred, Lewandowski once with 20 goals. Dzeko has won Bundesliga player of of the year award, Lewandowski never did.

Bwhahahahahahahahahaha. Implying that Dzeko is better than Lewandowski, I've seen it all now.

Do you think he's better than Ronaldo aswell? I mean, he was the top scorer in the World Cup Qualifying European Section and Ronaldo played in that.

Bwhahahahahahahahahaha to you my friend. I'm not implying anything. His record shows he is the better goalscorer up till now. However Lewandowski is two years younger and he still has some time to catch up.