Electric Car Charging

Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
The problem seems to be that the government is trying to tax and legislate us out of hydrocarbon vehicles and into electric but the infrastructure is not there. If they are serious and honest about this every pavement in the country needs to be dug up like when cable TV came in. Ultimately I think it will lead to a massive reduction in car ownership and increase in Uber etc, particularly in cities.
We then just need the do gooders and greenies to get on board with nuclear so we can stop burning thins to make fuel for electric cars.
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Nobody can convince me that EVs, made of batteries that'll last 10 years max before they're for the scrap heap, poor quality disposable plastics and precious metals and chemicals mined and shipped all around the world, powered by electricity that ultimately comes from burning fossil fuels, that are all too often unrepearable due to fire risk, are better for the environment than keeping existing cars on the road.

Modern cars are designed to be thrown away after 5-10 years instead of being maintained and repaired and kept on the road. This suits the car industry and the credit providers that keep it greased just fine. They don't want to keep old cars on the road, and the latest marketing spiel to sell more new stuff is EVs.

Actually I'm wrong there - they don't want to sell you a new car. They want to rent you a new car. Transport as a subscription service. Keep paying, own nothing.

I'll keep my old Land Rover thanks. It'll be going long after these pieces of plastic shite have exploded / been thrown into landfill.
 
Blue Mist said:
They are trying to force us onto public transport simple as.
Yes they will lose millions in revenue, which they probably haven't even considered, but ultimately, they know they can't force electric onto us all, it simply wouldn't work.
The problem is we are not set up for public transport without huge investment either.
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It's eye opening when you go to other countries just how shit our transport infrastructure us.

Go to Denmark, Sweden or Germany and the combination of public transport and cycling infrastructure in their cities is like something from Star Trek compared to the UK. They're literally centuries ahead of us.

The UK is a shithole.
 
There's a lot of nonsense on this thread - I'd like to know which Blues actually own (or lease) an Electric Car and whether they have home charging capability - i.e. who actually has a valid opinion?
 
DiscoSteve said:
There's a lot of nonsense on this thread - I'd like to know which Blues actually own (or lease) an Electric Car and whether they have home charging capability - i.e. who actually has a valid opinion?
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So you can only have a valid opinion if you've bought, or leased an EV.
Right, gotcha.
All those that have researched it and decided its not doable aren't worth listening to.
 
DiscoSteve said:
There's a lot of nonsense on this thread - I'd like to know which Blues actually own (or lease) an Electric Car and whether they have home charging capability - i.e. who actually has a valid opinion?
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Must agree with you on this - nuclear power for electric cars, it might have more applications than just EV's, also the battery pack has a maximum life of 10 years, this is a new one to me.
I bought a Hyundai Kona EV just over a year ago, I imported it from North of Ireland because I did not have to pay the VAT, so that was a saving of about € 6k, I mostly use the trickle charger to charge it, it has a 64kw battery and charges at about 2.2kw per hour, I usually do overnight about 14-15 hours, the cost of my Electric is less than 30cents per kw and I get over 4 MILES per kw hour (current economy is 4.4 miles). My other charging option is the local Lidl, which charges at a rate of 7kw per hour costing about 50 Cents per KW hour. Range is stated to be 260 miles, and it easily exceeds this.
My last ICE car was an old Toyota Avensis, which had an annual road tax of € 684.00, now the road tax is € 120.00. I do about 10k miles per year, I reckon I save about € 1,300.00 in fuel and maybe € 400.00 on servicing and tyres per annum, the "green" question was never an issue for me, but if you do a mile using less power, then they obviously are better for the people who worry about these things.
The driving experience is the biggest advantage of the EV over an ICE, the EV is a good deal heavier, so the road holding in so much better, it seems to glide along, it is also very very rapid when you want it to be, and passing the filling station is always a pleasure, I for one will not be going back to an ICE
My feeling is that the bad publicity that you currently hear about EV's comes from the Oil Companies, they do have a vested interest, I do feel a little guilty about not contributing to the Sheik's coffers, but he'll survive.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
Nobody can convince me that EVs, made of batteries that'll last 10 years max before they're for the scrap heap, poor quality disposable plastics and precious metals and chemicals mined and shipped all around the world, powered by electricity that ultimately comes from burning fossil fuels, that are all too often unrepearable due to fire risk, are better for the environment than keeping existing cars on the road.

Modern cars are designed to be thrown away after 5-10 years instead of being maintained and repaired and kept on the road. This suits the car industry and the credit providers that keep it greased just fine. They don't want to keep old cars on the road, and the latest marketing spiel to sell more new stuff is EVs.

Actually I'm wrong there - they don't want to sell you a new car. They want to rent you a new car. Transport as a subscription service. Keep paying, own nothing.

I'll keep my old Land Rover thanks. It'll be going long after these pieces of plastic shite have exploded / been thrown into landfill.
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Pretty much. I’ve got a foot in both worlds, I own a Land Rover and also have an EV (bmw i4) through salary sacrifice at work.

I wouldn’t buy an EV outright, at least not one at the price the i4 is. It has made me rethink the LR though. Going to swap that in now and go for something with a lot more mpg for the second car.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
Nobody can convince me that EVs, made of batteries that'll last 10 years max before they're for the scrap heap, poor quality disposable plastics and precious metals and chemicals mined and shipped all around the world, powered by electricity that ultimately comes from burning fossil fuels, that are all too often unrepearable due to fire risk, are better for the environment than keeping existing cars on the road.
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If only those idiotic world experts on objective fact-based climate science had consulted Johnny Mars Bar off the internet first! Those silly experts.
 
DiscoSteve said:
There's a lot of nonsense on this thread - I'd like to know which Blues actually own (or lease) an Electric Car and whether they have home charging capability - i.e. who actually has a valid opinion?
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Ok. Name one person who owns / leases an electric car that isn't a twat?
 
DiscoSteve said:
There's a lot of nonsense on this thread - I'd like to know which Blues actually own (or lease) an Electric Car and whether they have home charging capability - i.e. who actually has a valid opinion?
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We have a BYD Dolphin (range 265 miles) that my wife uses mostly for her job (Community Nurse). We had an Ohme Pro charger fitted by Octopus which cost £895. I got £500 back from my employer for this.

We have travelled about 2000 miles in 3 months, and as it is mainly non motorway driving, the range has been bang on 265 miles. Usually charge it every 5 days, and we are on the Octopus Intelligent Go tariff so get low rate for vehicle charging. Works out around £3.50 for a 75% charge (~185 miles).

We have not needed to use public charging yet, although from what I have seen, the cost is comparable to petrol or diesel prices.

To be honest, I have no idea what the battery life will be like in 5-10 years time, but we needed a more reliable vehicle as our previous one was 14 years old and was costing a fortune in repairs (£2000 in the previous 12 months).

We were not particularly looking at electric cars, but the deal on this was very competitive, and in 4 years we can either keep it, or get something else when there is even more choice, and potentially lower prices. (fully expect other costs to be in place at this point though as the government will need to replace money that ICE cars bring in)
 
DiscoSteve said:
There's a lot of nonsense on this thread - I'd like to know which Blues actually own (or lease) an Electric Car and whether they have home charging capability - i.e. who actually has a valid opinion?
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I have an MG ZS EV long range 273 miles. It is an indulgence as I probably won’t be driving for too many more years. It is good to drive, though my wife drives it mostly. The recommendation is to charge to 80% for everyday use for better battery life. So normally charge to about 220 miles range and recharge at about 40-50% charge so at about 130 - 140 miles remaing range. Charge overnight for 4 hours at 8.5p per kWh which represents about 2.2p per mile and normally charges back to 80%. For long journeys (about twice a year) charge to 100% at home then top up to ~ 90% every couple of hours when we are normally ready for a coffee / loo stop. Much more expensive to charge, normally about 20p per mile and takes about 30 to 45 mins to top up but allows for coffee and cake. Motorway range about 20% less than every day range. So wouldn’t go electric if i did a lot of distance driving but for local driving of about 25 miles a day it is good. Mileage lower in winter, probably by about 25%, not a problem for local driving.
 
Cassandra said:
I have an MG ZS EV long range 273 miles. It is an indulgence as I probably won’t be driving for too many more years. It is good to drive, though my wife drives it mostly. The recommendation is to charge to 80% for everyday use for better battery life. So normally charge to about 220 miles range and recharge at about 40-50% charge so at about 130 - 140 miles remaing range. Charge overnight for 4 hours at 8.5p per kWh which represents about 2.2p per mile and normally charges back to 80%. For long journeys (about twice a year) charge to 100% at home then top up to ~ 90% every couple of hours when we are normally ready for a coffee / loo stop. Much more expensive to charge, normally about 20p per mile and takes about 30 to 45 mins to top up but allows for coffee and cake. Motorway range about 20% less than every day range. So wouldn’t go electric if i did a lot of distance driving but for local driving of about 25 miles a day it is good. Mileage lower in winter, probably by about 25%, not a problem for local driving.
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as a Tesla owner, I believe this is a great real life summary for having an EV.
 
If we go back to what was originally posted.
We are not (weren't) discussing whether an electric car is good or bad. The discussion was what to do when you haven't got a driveway. The bloke in the OP has been denied permission by his council to install a covered trench and they will not allow him to put the cable across the pavement.
If councils continue with this attitude the govt. pledge of no petrol cars by 2025 is dead.
The government in my opinion, will not fund the infrastructure required for terraced houses or apartments to be electric friendly and therefore heading fir serious problems.
 
Blue Mist said:
If we go back to what was originally posted.
We are not (weren't) discussing whether an electric car is good or bad. The discussion was what to do when you haven't got a driveway. The bloke in the OP has been denied permission by his council to install a covered trench and they will not allow him to put the cable across the pavement.
If councils continue with this attitude the govt. pledge of no petrol cars by 2025 is dead.
The government in my opinion, will not fund the infrastructure required for terraced houses or apartments to be electric friendly and therefore heading fir serious problems.
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No pint as many can’t even park outside their own terraced houses these days, especially if they have two cars, imagine asking your neighbours to move their car so you can charge, the only way around that would be allocated parking outside every terraced house but then you get done twat with a massive lwb Van who overhangs
 
Blue Maverick said:
No pint as many can’t even park outside their own terraced houses these days, especially if they have two cars, imagine asking your neighbours to move their car so you can charge, the only way around that would be allocated parking outside every terraced house but then you get done twat with a massive lwb Van who overhangs
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I mentioned this earlier. My son lived on a terraced street and was rarely able to park outside his house.
In 2035 the houses will still be structurally sound so won't be demolished but there is no way he could charge his car.
 
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