Employment Question

[kronkonite]

........won't help

collective bargaining might

r u sure they're all on the exact same more than you?

 

[Kakhaber Tskhadadze K.O.T.A.]

KOTA

I don't have the time or inclination to explain to you yet again that you introduced an issue that the OP did not raise. You carry on with your tedious 'Chip on the shoulder' line if it makes you feel better.

Of course you haven't Coleridge .......... when you're wrong, you're wrong.....just accept it ..... and maybe ease up on your persecution complex .......... Does walking away when you have realise that you've made a mistake also work in a court room (or are you one of those "office barristers" lol ?)

 

[Bigga]

KOTA

I don't have the time or inclination to explain to you yet again that you introduced an issue that the OP did not raise. You carry on with your tedious 'Chip on the shoulder' line if it makes you feel better.

Of course you haven't Coleridge .......... when you're wrong, you're wrong.....just accept it ..... and maybe ease up on your persecution complex .......... Does walking away when you have realise that you've made a mistake also work in a court room (or are you one of those "office barristers" lol ?)

You're not making a very good job of hiding the racial undercurrent in your argument.

 

[Kakhaber Tskhadadze K.O.T.A.]

Of course you haven't Coleridge .......... when you're wrong, you're wrong.....just accept it ..... and maybe ease up on your persecution complex .......... Does walking away when you have realise that you've made a mistake also work in a court room (or are you one of those "office barristers" lol ?)

You're not making a very good job of hiding the racial undercurrent in your argument.

The geezer jumped in feet first and started spouting off about "Daily Mail cliche's" when there was no "positive discrimination" agenda within my comments..... I can only play it as I see it and for some reason Coleridge felt the need to "defend a position" when it was never under attack in the first place...... my comments are fair retorts and have no "racial undercurrent" .... why would they ?

 

[Bigga]

You're not making a very good job of hiding the racial undercurrent in your argument.

The geezer jumped in feet first and started spouting off about "Daily Mail cliche's" when there was no "positive discrimination" agenda within my comments..... I can only play it as I see it and for some reason Coleridge felt the need to "defend a position" when it was never under attack in the first place...... my comments are fair retorts and have no "racial undercurrent" .... why would they ?

I dunno... "chip on the shoulder"... "persecution complex" comments, perhaps...?

 

[Kakhaber Tskhadadze K.O.T.A.]

The geezer jumped in feet first and started spouting off about "Daily Mail cliche's" when there was no "positive discrimination" agenda within my comments..... I can only play it as I see it and for some reason Coleridge felt the need to "defend a position" when it was never under attack in the first place...... my comments are fair retorts and have no "racial undercurrent" .... why would they ?

I dunno... "chip on the shoulder"... "persecution complex" comments, perhaps...?

as I said "I can only play it as I see it" and for someone to aggressively defend something that's not under attack because within their mindset they think is "under attack" leads people to certain conclusions.

To bring race into the subject is quite bizarre as the phrase's "chip on the shoulder"... "persecution complex" also relate to the other areas of discrimination I mentioned within my original post.. for all I know Coleridge maybe disabled, or gay or a defender of women's rights .... maybe your comments tell us more about your mindset.

 

[Timmmmahhhh]

This has got boring pretty quick...

KOTA, you won't win this one, may as well give up ey? I'm not suggesting you are right or wrong....

 

[Bigga]

I dunno... "chip on the shoulder"... "persecution complex" comments, perhaps...?

as I said "I can only play it as I see it" and for someone to aggressively defend something that's not under attack because within their mindset they think is "under attack" leads people to certain conclusions.

To bring race into the subject is quite bizarre as the phrase's "chip on the shoulder"... "persecution complex" also relate to the other areas of discrimination I mentioned within my original post.. for all I know Coleridge maybe disabled, or gay or a defender of women's rights .... maybe your comments tell us more about your mindset.

Maybe they do.

Maybe in my dealings with things and people, when I have fought the corner against ignorance, I have come up against the old phrase "chip on the shoulder" when people lose the argument.

It's all they have left after all their points have been stripped bare.

 

[JB THE ROOSTER]

Question is if i can prove that i have been underpaid by £5k for the past 3 years are the company obliged to backpay me?

Im doing exactly the same work as other people yet it seems because im younger im on a lower grade.

Aaah I see, mate. Not too sure with employment law, but I do have a mate who does that sort of thing. I'll send him an email and if nobody has replied before I get a reply I'll post here what he has to say about it.

What kind of work is it you do?

Work in the accounts department for a housing association, basically i came here from school and have worked my up to the top level work but have not been given a grade uplift, so i'm doing exactly the same work as other people for less money. A woman who works here in a diff dept said i've definately got a case here.<br /><br />-- Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:47 pm --<br /><br />

you say you are younger than the others on a higher wage.
companies can pay a lower rate to young people (up to 21, 22?) for doing the same work.
stating your age might help.

Im 24.

 

[coleridge]

This has got boring pretty quick...

KOTA, you won't win this one, may as well give up ey? I'm not suggesting you are right or wrong....

And you think you're bored? I've had a lifetime of listening to the 'chip on the shoulder' excuse. I hope the OP got the answer he was looking for though.

As for KOTA, you can pm me if you want more information. Professional discretion prevents me from giving details on the internet [or maybe that's just my persecution complex, who knows?]. We are not going to agree and I'd rather get back to reading the Big Mal tributes anyway.

 

[JB THE ROOSTER]

Are you doing a job with an incremental salary scale?

Ahh a sensible reply
If you are on an incremental salery then there is no real recourse in legal terms for you to persue a case, but if not then the age discrimination law might come into play, though I dont know enough about the terms and conditions of your employment to go further.
Coleridge, what is this "English Law" you are refering to, as to the best of my knowledge, employment law is set at Parlaiment, which covers England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, though it has to bow down to EU legislation when required.

Right, dont think i explained it very well, i started at this place when i was 17 and did have pay rises in line with the higher level of work i was taking on, about 3 years ago i got moved into a different section working on things that should be within the grade 3 salary scale. I've brought it up various times that im being underpaid for what im doing and just keep getting told 'it's being reviewed'. I threatened to quit yesterday and all of a sudden i've been asked to attend a late notice meeting to discuss my salary, so hopefully i'll get a pay rise to what it should be. But im still going to fight for the backpay!

 

[Kakhaber Tskhadadze K.O.T.A.]

As for KOTA, you can pm me if you want more information. Professional discretion prevents me from giving details on the internet [or maybe that's just my persecution complex, who knows?]. We are not going to agree and I'd rather get back to reading the Big Mal tributes anyway.

Coleridge, this mornings sad news puts this thread in perspective. I think this "discussion" should be put to bed and agree to disagree.

 

[coleridge]

Ahh a sensible reply
If you are on an incremental salery then there is no real recourse in legal terms for you to persue a case, but if not then the age discrimination law might come into play, though I dont know enough about the terms and conditions of your employment to go further.
Coleridge, what is this "English Law" you are refering to, as to the best of my knowledge, employment law is set at Parlaiment, which covers England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, though it has to bow down to EU legislation when required.

Right, dont think i explained it very well, i started at this place when i was 17 and did have pay rises in line with the higher level of work i was taking on, about 3 years ago i got moved into a different section working on things that should be within the grade 3 salary scale. I've brought it up various times that im being underpaid for what im doing and just keep getting told 'it's being reviewed'. I threatened to quit yesterday and all of a sudden i've been asked to attend a late notice meeting to discuss my salary, so hopefully i'll get a pay rise to what it should be. But im still going to fight for the backpay!

I'd be careful! Do you have a union or other form of representation. Even if it is not an ambush, it doesn't seem that you have all the documentation at your disposal. Ask for an agenda and any relevant paperwork prior to the meeting, whilst trying not to sound like 'Red Robbo' [a tricky balance, I know]. I'd also advice that any back-pay is an arrow in your quiver for negotiations rather than some thing to 'fight for' as you seemed to have waived the right to it, as you don't appear to have made any written representations thus far [or do you have a record of what you said, when and to whom]. Sounds pedantic, I know, but that's the law for you. Good luck!