England v Belgium | Friendly | Match Thread

[TinFoilHat]

Stones looks like he jarred his knee. Any update on him?

Kyles slapped it back into place with his cock. He'll be ok for Sunday.

:)

 

[Gordyola]

Stones looks like he jarred his knee. Any update on him?

Henry Winter says abductor injury

 

[decmancity]

Well that's why great managers are who they are, they can handle a team full of big names, make them gel and make them recognise the manager is the real deal and they trust the manager.

That's why managers like Pep, or Mourinho in the past have won trophies all over the place. That's not simply down to ability to organise a winning team, it's also because these big name players knowing if you put trust in these proven managers and work for them and work for the team you will also win things.

Other than Southgate being an affable fella, he's not going to command the footballing respect for these big players to have complete trust in him.

Everything I have read and seen tells me that an international break for England is just a chance for the lads to get together and get away from the kids and the wife for a couple weeks. They spend all their time just having a lads holiday basically. Sat about at St Georges park playing darts and on the playstation.

There is no pattern of play with this team. Southgate just follows the flavor of the month and picks steady eddies who wont say anything to him e.g. Henderson.

How the fuck is Dunk starting for England, when we have the likes of Tomori just sat at home.

He does interview after interview to get the press on his side and rides the gravy train all round the country each weekend doing nothing but eating prawn sandwiches.

 

[hilts]

Because the system basically requires it. The truly “humble” kids tend to get less attention (i.e. coaching and promotion) early on, which leads to a filtering effect through out the stages of development.

I certainly won’t claim every top player are arrogant, but I will absolutely stand behind vast majority being so confident as to come of as overestimating their own abilities.


As I said, I think people are thinking about this sort of arrogance as the type they encounter in cunts at work or on the street.

It’s not the same.

We will have to disagree talent and hard work, if anything a coach would prefer the humble kid. Arrogant players get away with it because their talents cannot be ignored.

 

[SebastianBlue]

We will have to disagree talent and hard work, if anything a coach would prefer the humble kid. Arrogant players get away with it because their talents cannot be ignored.

Talent and hard work are absolutely important, we agree on that.

But to get the attention, which gives you the coaching and promotion needed to progress to the next development stage, most kids that aren’t children of ex-footballers or managers, need what people on here call arrogance to make it through the brutal gauntlet. It’s a filtering effect that happens at every stage, up to U18, then the other qualities tend to start becoming dominant.

By then, though, most of the players have the natural arrogance, and keep it to stay at the top.

David Silva, Kev, Kompany, Haaland, Stones, even selfless stalwart Gareth Barry had it. They might be humble off the pitch, but they are arrogant as footballers, because they had/have to be.

 

[hilts]

He was excellent against us for Dortmund in the game we won 2-1 in the knockouts and also very good in the first 45 of the return leg in Dortmund until he ran out of puff,but he was about 19 then. He's a very good player, but hopefully he tucks up nicely in Rodri's pocket in a few weeks.

Good in one and good for a half and not for the other half in another. So not incredible in either :-)

I never said he wasn't good just not incredible because well he isn't. An incredible player needs to wow you lot. Like in wow that was incredible. I can't remember him doing one incredible thing never mind doing it regularly.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Talk shite interviewer telling - not asking - that Manyoo has to be in the Euros squad

 

[RadcliffeRick]

Henry Winter says abductor injury

 

[SebastianBlue]

Messi and Cruyff do/did not come over as arrogant, nor did Pele. Nor did Colin Bell, Dave Silva, KDB

They were/are all “arrogant” as footballers, mate.

People seem to be conflating arrogance with selfishness, or just being a ****. But they are separate. Or how they are off the pitch with the way they are on it.

Kev is by all accounts a humble guy away from football. Dave a bit less so ( ;-) ). Bell was, as well.

But as footballers, they absolutely had/have very high opinions of their own ability, bordering on exaggeration. Messi is probably the poster child for that, actually. He is completely different on the pitch and off it (famously so). As was Kun, just ask Sideshow Bob. ;-)

That is what makes Pep such a good manager: he can channel that collection of egos, with all the other brilliant qualities that come with them, in to a cohesive, efficient, brutal machine.

 

[hilts]

Talent and hard work are absolutely important, as agree on that.

But to get the attention, which gives you the coaching and promotion needed to progress to the next development stage, most kids that aren’t children of ex-footballers or managers, need what people on here call arrogance to make it through the brutal gauntlet.

So player A

Has great game comes off and thanks you for saying he played well

Player B

Has great game comes off and says i know I was good I'm always good.

You say I like the arrogance that player A will never make it he just not twattish enough.

Horse shit. Coaches would like to fuck off player B but they would end up playing well elsewhere.

We could throw in confidence which I feel we would be more likely to agree on. Arrogance and confidence are close bedfellows but there is a difference.