England v Slovakia - Sun 30th June, 17:00 | Euro 2024 Round of 16

[hilts]

Southgate, wank. Still hope they can do it.

What is this obsession you have with supporting really dull unimaginative people?

Do you put 25% of your wages in a low interest but safe investment scheme?

 

[ROCKET80]

England have had managers in the past that have won everything domestically - how did that fair for us ? Sven, Capello - all had very impressive CVs, why didn't we win the tournament if its all about that?

Southgate doesn't have an impressive domestic CV and it turns out he has been one of England's greatest ever managers statistically and taking us all way to semi/final in recent tournaments.

His tactics may not please many, but they have been a big part of us progressing consistently in major tournaments - there's only so many times you can label him 'lucky'

Capello was a disaster, he had no connection with the players, nor understood the culture.

Sven was unlucky, undone by moments, a freak free-kick, an incorrectly disallowed goal, or a red card to your best player.

There's a lot of context missing relating to your Southgate statement. We've had piss easy groups and draws through to the latter stages that have seen us progress consistently in tournaments. It's clear to me it's his tactics that are the reason we've lost in the big games.

There are no examples of us performing well against a decent team at a tournament under Southgate. We beat the also-rans, struggle against average opposition, then we deservedly lose to the first good side we play.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Nice little “the problem is the City players” analysis from Sky Sports today in the ‘ANALYSIS: Six England Problems Southgate Must Fix’ article, even as the stats they reference shows issues everywhere, and especially with the main man in midfield.

 

[Crouchinho]

Very poor first half. Better second half but still bang average. Bellingham and Kane saved Southgate his job for a bit longer.

The only positive I can see is we can't play much worse than we have been, but then again I'm sure we can lol. I really hope we can let the shackles off a bit next match. Surely the Swiss are favourites?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

What is this obsession you have with supporting really dull unimaginative people?

Do you put 25% of your wages in a low interest but safe investment scheme?

Of course I support the England team, but have very little faith in the manager.

Only what I think is best for the country. The longer we go, the more beer can be had ;-)

 

[bondsman]

I'm pretty sure he took Shaw on the basis he would fit after 2/3 games.

So why take 3 right backs one of whom is shit and only 1 unfit left back who hasn’t played in months.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Yes the reality is success is judged on sides winning things. I'm not a fan of giving medals to everyone for taking part like schools do these days. No one even remembers second.

With regards to Pep only winning the CL once after several attaempts with City , that is precisely why you need the best man for the job to make it easier and even then it won't be !

Having a failure as England Manager and Yes Southgate is a failure as he has won nothing and has only shown very limited potential makes it a dam sight harder.

Ask yourself this simple question and answer honestly. Do you think with Pep or Klopp or Ancellotti managing this England team we would have a better chance of progressing. If the answer is yes then you are implicitly acknowledging the limitations of Southgate.

The same logic applies to playing well. Very obviously, the better a team plays, the more likely they are to win games. Yet we still get people who insist that performances don't matter, only results do.

That's okay on odd, isolated occasions (we've all said the same when City scrape through a game undeservedly towards the end of a season), but it's a real problem when it becomes the default setting over a wide body of games. It massively increases the chances of failure as your luck will inevitably run out.

That's why many of us are rightly being so critical after 4 depressingly bad performances against mediocre opposition. We've seen it all before and know how it ends.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Capello was a disaster, he had no connection with the players, nor understood the culture.

Sven was unlucky, undone by moments, a freak free-kick, an incorrectly disallowed goal, or a red card to your best player.

There's a lot of context missing relating to your Southgate statement. We've had piss easy groups and draws through to the latter stages that have seen us progress consistently in tournaments. It's clear to me it's his tactics that are the reason we've lost in the big games.

There are no examples of us performing well against a decent team at a tournament under Southgate. We beat the also-rans, struggle against average opposition, then we deservedly lose to the first good side we play.

Very well put, unfortunately i very much doubt Bluehammmer will be able to comprehend any of that, as he as said he isn't bothered about tactics, formations playing players in their best positions, he never gets worked up about any of that stuff. In his eyes Gareth is is doing a great job, just look at his record. Shearer, Lineker , Murphy infact every pundit and England fan who has dared to question Southgates tactics is just being mean.
Bluehammer doesnt think there isn't anyone else out there that could get this team playing any better. That's essentially what you have said isn't it BlueHammer85? You can't have it both ways mate, you can't state nonsense like the above and at the same time profess to know something about football? It doesn't add up.

 

[elbearos]

Is that 3 assists for Kyle Walker?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Nice little “the problem is the City players” analysis from Sky Sports today in the ‘ANALYSIS: Six England Problems Southgate Must Fix’ article, even as the stats they reference shows issues everywhere, and especially with the main man in midfield.

Very Good analysis, but it is funny that the conclusions from each part of the analysis seems to focus on the City players. Especially Foden, with no mention of him being forced to play out of position.

The most telling stats in that table must surely be the shots and chances created table. Despite having played every minute and scoring two goals Bellinghams stats are by far the worst or any attacking player. But strangely no focus on this in the conclusions? Hahaha

 

[Crooked_rain]

The only positive I can see is we can't play much worse than we have been, but then again I'm sure we can

but can we play better? That's the real question. We've seen no evidence of it yet.

We don't need to play any worse to lose against the teams left in it. Playing the same as the last 4 games will make it a certainty.

 

[Super-Barwuah]

but can we play better? That's the real question. We've seen no evidence of it yet.

We don't need to play any worse to lose against the teams left in it. Playing the same as the last 4 games will make it a certainty.

Another bore draw inbound going to pens is my prediction

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

It would seem several pundits are calling for Foden to be dropped. As in their words he is ineffective. I suspect this may well happen as Southgate doesn't rate him that highly in my opinion. Hence he sticks him in a position he doesnt play in and is often the first to be subbed. In the past he has used every excuse under the sun to not play him in his most effective position , but like Grealish Foden isn't one of Southgates favoured players.
Obviously Bellingham and Kane are undroppable and can play where they want on the pitch under this fraud.

Not sure how I feel about this if and when it he drops Foden. At least Foden will get a rest. My apathy towards England under this fraud will only deepen. Part of me is thinking the sooner we go out the better, as we wont have to witness any anti football and it will give Stones and Walker a rest.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Wtf the simple **** has given them the day off today. It’s not as if we have work to do on tactics, pressing as a team, attacking as a team, pass and move, ball retention etc. What a useless fucking ****

 

[dancity19]

It would seem several pundits are calling for Foden to be dropped. As in their words he is ineffective. I suspect this may well happen as Southgate doesn't rate him that highly in my opinion. Hence he sticks him in a position he doesnt play in and is often the first to be subbed. In the past he has used every excuse under the sun to not play him in his most effective position , but like Grealish Foden isn't one of Southgates favoured players.
Obviously Bellingham and Kane are undroppable and can play where they want on the pitch under this fraud.

Not sure how I feel about this if and when it he drops Foden. At least Foden will get a rest. My apathy towards England under this fraud will only deepen. Part of me is thinking the sooner we go out the better, as we wont have to witness any anti football and it will give Stones and Walker a rest.

I really don’t think he will get dropped. He hasn’t changed anything to date, and gave him 95 mins. Not like he gave him 60. Not sure you play someone for that long to then drop them next game.

 

[Paul1970]

Ive always thought thar most are bang average. Even our Jonny and Kyle look average. Jonny going for same ball as his partner.. no leadership..pretty poor

I always thought foden was the best English player since gazza but atm even though he is out of position his performances have not been great . Would liked to have seen England in the tougher draw to see what they are made off but the swiss will not be easy

 

[Crouchinho]

but can we play better? That's the real question. We've seen no evidence of it yet.

We don't need to play any worse to lose against the teams left in it. Playing the same as the last 4 games will make it a certainty.

I believe we can with their ability. These players all perform in their domestic leagues. I just don't understand why we always go sideways or backwards. The instructions are very negative.

Kane will drop deep if he is starved of service but there will be no runners behind him if he does that either. All the players seem extremely cautious about taking any risks whatsoever.

I don't see any real plan anywhere on the field. I really hope we turn it around next match!!!!

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

 

[BlueHammer85]

It would seem several pundits are calling for Foden to be dropped.

Pundits and fans thinking they know best should f*ck off! Leave it to the gaffer. Whoever it is. The amount of different opinions on who should start or be dropped is so tedious. Everyone’s got different ideas and then they go mental if the manager doesn’t select there idea.

 

[mexico1970]

Pundits and fans thinking they know best should f*ck off! Leave it to the gaffer. Whoever it is. The amount of different opinions on who should start or be dropped is so tedious. Everyone’s got different ideas and then they go mental if the manager doesn’t select there idea.

Everyone should shut up :)