Epstein / Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor / Maxwell

[Mr Kobayashi]

Reading that, interesting that aquitals of both were based on them being unaware of the girls age.
Maybe rooney had the right idea, rent a pensioner and remove all doubt.
The scumbag who procurred the girl however, was found guilty and got sent down, quite rightly.
Fucking awful state we're in, girls being bought and sold like meat.

This is the situation in the UK.

Although the age of consent is 16 throughout the United Kingdom, it is illegal to buy sex from a person under 18 where the perpetrator does not reasonably believe they are 18 or over.[5] In England and Wales, it is an offence to pay for sex with a sex worker who has been "subjected to force", constituting a strict liability offence - wherein the client of a sex worker can be prosecuted for the offence, even in the absence of fault or criminal intent to force a sex worker to provide sexual services for them.

This nonce managed to get off with sleeping with young girls who pretended to be older. Sugar baby relationship so not quite prostitution, but got off on the equivalent of young man's defence (I thought she was older) , which isn't applicable to men over 23.

Former Dragons' Den panellist Doug Richard cleared of child sex offences

Jury at Old Bailey found Richard, 57, not guilty of sexual activity with 13-year-old girl after he claimed he thought she was 17

www.google.com

 

[crublue1]

This is the situation in the UK.

Although the age of consent is 16 throughout the United Kingdom, it is illegal to buy sex from a person under 18 where the perpetrator does not reasonably believe they are 18 or over.[5] In England and Wales, it is an offence to pay for sex with a sex worker who has been "subjected to force", constituting a strict liability offence - wherein the client of a sex worker can be prosecuted for the offence, even in the absence of fault or criminal intent to force a sex worker to provide sexual services for them.

This nonce managed to get off with sleeping with young girls who pretended to be older. Sugar baby relationship so not quite prostitution, but got off on the equivalent of young man's defence (I thought she was older) , which isn't applicable to men over 23.

Former Dragons' Den panellist Doug Richard cleared of child sex offences

Jury at Old Bailey found Richard, 57, not guilty of sexual activity with 13-year-old girl after he claimed he thought she was 17

www.google.com

This excuse for a man should be locked up for life.
But having said that, he's basically admitted having sex with a 13 year old girl, and they've let him off because he said he didn't know. Ha ha yeah right. He was on a sugar daddy website doing all sorts of noncery.
The judge here is as guilty as him.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

This excuse for a man should be locked up for life.
But having said that, he's basically admitted having sex with a 13 year old girl, and they've let him off because he said he didn't know. Ha ha yeah right. He was on a sugar daddy website doing all sorts of noncery.
The judge here is as guilty as him.

It was a jury trial, not the Judge to blame.

 

[Bill Walker]

I havent been really following this story, is the queen protecting Andrew ?
I saw he went to Balmoral to hide from the yanks.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

the whole of them are untouchable always have been always will

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[Bill Walker]

I fear you may be correct.
But what's to be done then?
We cant just lynch the bloke cos we think he's a nonce, as many seem to want to.
Her legal team have served papers to the best of their ability.
So what happens now?
He ignores, fails to attend and she gets damages which he will pay, one way or another, and is deemed guilty by default, which he wont want, but wont really affect him, as he's as thick as mince anyway.
He responds and goes to court (no chance)
He will be thinking he's done nothing wrong, burying his head in the sand hoping his legal team will get him out of it.
He will never be tried, so i'm sure he will sleep easy at night knowing he's got away with it (if he's guilty)
People like him have no consience. Self entitled wanker born into a world where the plebs like us are seen as worthless scum.
This is the side of royalty I hate.
I love the queen and how she has served the country all these years with dignity, she doesn't deserve this shit as she approaches her twilight years.
I hope he gets what he deserves.

Nothing will happen mate, they are quite simply above the law.

You say you love the queen, is she giving a fuck about the young girls who these guys trafficked and had sex with ?

 

[crublue1]

Nothing will happen mate, they are quite simply above the law.

You say you love the queen, is she giving a fuck about the young girls who these guys trafficked and had sex with ?

I'm sure she is, but i'm wondering what people expect her to do?
If she's using her position to protect him then obviously that's wrong and needs addressing.
I dont know if she is or she isn't, happy to be educated on it, genuinely.

 

[sir baconface]

Charles I likes this post!

He was a little ahead of the others.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

This excuse for a man should be locked up for life.
But having said that, he's basically admitted having sex with a 13 year old girl, and they've let him off because he said he didn't know. Ha ha yeah right. He was on a sugar daddy website doing all sorts of noncery.
The judge here is as guilty as him.

Hmm, "I thought she was older" isn't a valid excuse for selling alcohol to a kid, but apparently it's valid for having sex with one. What a ridiculous set of laws.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Hmm, "I thought she was older" isn't a valid excuse for selling alcohol to a kid, but apparently it's valid for having sex with one. What a ridiculous set of laws.

It absolutely is. Section 146(4) of the Licensing Act 2003 affords a defence for selling alcohol to a child if the person making the sale reasonably thought they were 18 or over. In contrast, in most States in the US selling alcohol to a minor is a strict liability offence.

I think our system is fairer, especially to shop workers on minimum wage who shouldn’t be penalised and criminalised when they have taken all reasonable precautions.

I would say the same about people who have sex with minors, given the sentences involved. I don’t see how that’s fair if someone reasonably and genuinely believed they were having consensual and legal sex that they should be punished on the basis they they knew.

What is reasonable, as ever, is up to a jury, who have listened to the evidence in order to determine whether they are sure of someone’s guilt; which is the least worst way of deciding these things, rather than via a football forum.

 

[Bill Walker]

I'm sure she is, but i'm wondering what people expect her to do?
If she's using her position to protect him then obviously that's wrong and needs addressing.
I dont know if she is or she isn't, happy to be educated on it, genuinely.

I don't know either but he's obviously been given the okay to hide out in a massive Scottish castle on 500 acres which is owned by his mother.
It's nigh on impossible to serve papers on him is such a place.

 

[crublue1]

I don't know either but he's obviously been given the okay to hide out in a massive Scottish castle on 500 acres which is owned by his mother.
It's nigh on impossible to serve papers on him is such a place.

Agreed Bill, which makes a bit of a mockery of the system in this instance doesn't it.
But then I guess it wasn't designed with this scenario in mind.
Like I said, I hope he gets what he deserves, however it's achieved.

 

[mat]

I havent been really following this story, is the queen protecting Andrew ?
I saw he went to Balmoral to hide from the yanks.

I know it's not the best source:

Popbitch claiming Liz sent him there for that reason along with a PR team to try and improve his image.

 

[MCFCTrick]

He will never see the inside of a US, or any court. The Firm will see to that. Morally wrong certainly, but they are protecting their own. Many in power do.
Whatever the charges, be it underage sex in this case, or even causing the death of a person, and using your spouse's diplomatic status to flee the country, and not face the music, abetted by said spouse and his government.

 

[ancoats]

Ah yeah, I know who you mean now.
He works down the chip shop.

you now know where the grease on his hair comes from

 

[Southbanken]

It is when the age of consent is 18

Also, when that "hooker" is basically being held as a sex slave against her will.

 

[ancoats]

has the joker card has come out yet

the royal household are immune from arrest in civil proceedings

 

[marco]

trouble for him is anyone accused of this type of stuff would want to clear their name, i certainly would, so he's going to be guilty if he does not turn up and he's going to be gulty in the public eye if he pays her off 'why make a pay off if your innocent', the only way is to defend himself thats if he wants to walk around with his head held up

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I would say the same about people who have sex with minors, given the sentences involved. I don’t see how that’s fair if someone reasonably and genuinely believed they were having consensual and legal sex that they should be punished on the basis they they knew.

Fair point, but also given the seriousness of the offence, I don't think it's too much to expect someone to make reasonable efforts to ascertain the age of someone before having sex with them when they look like they might be underage. And obviously I don't know what the girl looked like in this case, but what I will say is that while I've seen 13 year-olds who look older than they are before, I've never seen one who looks so old as to leave in no doubt that she's over the age of 16. So if you're a middle-aged businessman looking to prey on young teenagers, I think you should be expected to put the extra work in rather than just having sex with them knowing that there'll be some plausible deniability for your no doubt very highly-paid lawyer to take advantage of if it goes to court.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Fair point, but also given the seriousness of the offence, I don't think it's too much to expect someone to make reasonable efforts to ascertain the age of someone before having sex with them when they look like they might be underage. And obviously I don't know what the girl looked like in this case, but what I will say is that while I've seen 13 year-olds who look older than they are before, I've never seen one who looks so old as to leave in no doubt that she's over the age of 16. So if you're a middle-aged businessman looking to prey on young teenagers, I think you should be expected to put the extra work in rather than just having sex with them knowing that there'll be some plausible deniability for your no doubt very highly-paid lawyer to take advantage of if it goes to court.

As I said before that’s up to 12 ordinary people to decide, after hearing all the evidence, whether the belief was reasonably held that she was 16 or over, included in which would almost certainly be what steps the defendant took to establish the girl’s age.

Not sure I would describe most criminal lawyers as highly paid, never mind very highly paid, especially in the context of what they do and the responsibility they carry. Compared to most of the rest of the legal profession their pay is poor.