Epstein / Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor / Maxwell

[sir baconface]

Total lack of understanding of the whole situation

That’s an unusually frank admission, kaz.

 

[kaz7]

I have to say i am not surprised so many of you are victim blaming , because it is a woman and men are sexist to some degree or other

I'm out

 

[Bazzmand Show]

As if people are actually okay with fucking a 17 year old. 17! 12 months out of high school. Illegal, maybe not, weird as fuck and a bit noncey, most definitely.

This girl has been trafficked to a different country then coerced into having sex with much older men. Whole thing is fucking disgusting

At 17 people are sexually active, I agree that it's weird - but theres a reason it's not illegal for someone to sleep with people 16 or older.

Anthony Kiedes from the Red Hot Chilli Peppers was dating an 18 year old girl from Australia when he was at the age of 50. I didn't necessarily see huge outcry about that at the time.

The issue here for me is not the age gap or the fact she was 17, but the surrounding topic of the fact she was trafficked and potentially coerced into it.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

At 17 people are sexually active, I agree that it's weird - but theres a reason it's not illegal for someone to sleep with people 16 or older.

Anthony Kiedes from the Red Hot Chilli Peppers was dating an 18 year old girl from Australia when he was at the age of 50. I didn't necessarily see huge outcry about that at the time.

The issue here for me is not the age gap or the fact she was 17, but the surrounding topic of the fact she was trafficked and potentially coerced into it.

That is the very issue in the whole thing. Whether Prince Andrew knew she was, or whether the lady could prove that he knew she was, would be at the core of any civil trial and resolving that is probably unachievable, hence a settlement that both parties seem satisfied with. The talk of rape, noncery, paedo etc is silly and misunderstanding, probably borne out of such words being such emotive subjects. The issue is in bold.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Does the age of consent mean that anyone under that age isn’t legally allowed to give consent and therefore it would be classed as rape?

No. In the UK a 13-15 year old is capable of giving consent to sex even though it is an offence to have sex (or sexual contact) with them (the offence being sexual activity with a child, maximum sentence 14 years). Anyone under the age 13 is deemed incapable of giving consent and therefore sex with them is deemed to be rape, irrespective.

It’s a common misconception that sex with someone under the age of 16 is automatically rape.

 

[Elbow beards]

I have to say i am not surprised so many of you are victim blaming , because it is a woman and men are sexist to some degree or other

I'm out

Accuses men of being sexist, with a completely sexist comment. Hmmm.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

As if people are actually okay with fucking a 17 year old. 17!

Who on this thread is ok with it?

 

[bluemonkey71]

I have to say i am not surprised so many of you are victim blaming , because it is a woman and men are sexist to some degree or other

I'm out

of the kitchen? ;)

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Who would pay £12m for something they claim they hadn't done and not have a gagging order included?

Oooo I know this one, a conceited fucking idiot who is using directly or indirectly our money.

 

[Berts Neck]

I have to say i am not surprised so many of you are victim blaming , because it is a woman and men are sexist to some degree or other

I'm out

I do not think for one minute you need to be out Kaz..I believe most sensible can see what happened here..it was very wrong..These poor vulnerable girls were manipulated for personal financial gain to act inappropriately..Frankly, I would rather see Andrew do time than a financial out of court settlement with the sums being mentioned..We the tax payers, are funding that in one way or another, and perhaps that is what galls people ??

Edit.. And I believe we the tax payers have a right to know who settled this out of court payment

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I do not think for one minute you need to be out Kaz..I believe most sensible can see what happened here..it was very wrong..These poor vulnerable girls were manipulated for personal financial gain to act inappropriately..Frankly, I would rather see Andrew do time than a financial out of court settlement with the sums being mentioned..We the tax payers, are funding that in one way or another, and perhaps that is what galls people ??

Edit.. And I believe we the tax payers have a right to know who settled this out of court payment

Karen hasn’t got unanimous support for her position, so is stamping her feet. It’s quite common.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Edit.. And I believe we the tax payers have a right to know who settled this out of court payment

Find-out Source of Settlement Money- Sign the Petition

 

[kaz7]

Karen hasn’t got unanimous support for her position, so is stamping her feet. It’s quite common.

Why dont you do one troll

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Why dont you do one troll

Ooh, I’ve been elevated to troll.

Bless.

 

[Blue Llama]

Yeah so she decides that trying to nail him on a charge of abuse is going to provide better payback than on rape, get real

It was a civil case. The plaintiff decides what the accusation is

 

[carlosthejackal]

Staggering the number of people on here trying to defend an absolute **** .

 

[Dubai Blue]

Yeah so she decides that trying to nail him on a charge of abuse is going to provide better payback than on rape, get real

Not sure what your point is to be honest. I was simply correcting your assertion that the District Attorney was somehow involved in determining a private prosecution

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Staggering the number of people on here trying to defend an absolute **** .

I havent seen one poster do that. Not a single post. Can you show one?

 

[Dubai Blue]

I do not think for one minute you need to be out Kaz..I believe most sensible can see what happened here..it was very wrong..These poor vulnerable girls were manipulated for personal financial gain to act inappropriately..Frankly, I would rather see Andrew do time than a financial out of court settlement with the sums being mentioned..We the tax payers, are funding that in one way or another, and perhaps that is what galls people ??

Edit.. And I believe we the tax payers have a right to know who settled this out of court payment

That's fair enough. It would be pretty galling to find out public money was paying for this. But he was never going to be doing time. The outcome was always going to be financial even if the trial went ahead. So these questions regarding the source of any payment would be being asked regardless.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Staggering the number of people on here trying to defend an absolute **** .

I don't think anybody is trying to defend him; he's a wrong un'.

All we know for a fact is that sweaty Andy went to a known sex offenders private island and was photographed with a girl who later went on to claim the he had sex with her despite knowing that she'd been groomed and procured by Epstein for the purpose of having sex with rich, privileged men. She was 17 at the time of the alleged offence, which she claims he also knew.

He then made up an absolute crock of sh*t story and gave an ill advised car crash interview which just made him look guilty as f*ck.

We also now know that he's paid her a large settlement which essentially puts the civil case to bed (no pun intended). We can only speculate the reason behind this, but if I were forced to guess I would say he was fearful of disclosure evidence which may further damage his reputation and/or open him up to criminal prosecution in any future case.

Either way it is conduct unbecoming for any military officer, let alone a high profile member of the Royal Family.