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You have the habit of turning straight men gay. Is there any strings you don't have to your bow?
Epstein / Prince Andrew / Maxwell
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kaz7
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But as part of a gagging clause in the settlement, Andrew is prevented from repeating his claims he has no recollection of meeting his accuser and has agreed to never again deny claims he sexually abused her, reports the Telegraph.
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Barcon
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It wasn't a hotel. It was a bar on the roof of a shopping centre/office block. I'll have a look and find the name.
I searched for best rooftop bars in Lisbon before we went.
Edit: topo martim moniz very close to hotel Mundial.
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gordondaviesmoustache
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I’m not sure that’s correct. Please see my previous post on the age of consent c/f sexual activity with a child. Don’t know the nuances in the BVI tbf.
gordondaviesmoustache
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Seen it mate. He was a horrible ****.
gordondaviesmoustache
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Thought so. Angle etc…looked the same.
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It is.
Not British Virgin Islands, USVI. I'm aware of the English Laws but they are irrelevant to the point I'm making.
Unless you believe that the alleged act in the USVI never happened, or she was aged 18 or over, then that alleged act would be non-consensual.
18 is the upper limit, and it is a strict liability offence. There is no defence that the defendant wasn't aware of the victim's age.
gordondaviesmoustache
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Don’t need the concept of strict liability explaining to me.
Sorry about the jurisdictional mix up. I don’t know what took place in USVI, if anything. My view of the likelihood of him having sex with her is based on what happened here, which must have been legally consensual, or it would have been otherwise pleaded. Not saying it didn’t happen there btw; I guess it’s likely to be true. I wouldn’t expect she made that part up but not the rest, but who knows.
So I guess it’s likely something happened there and so it wasn’t legally consensual and to that extent I’ll recalibrate what I said, but I don’t think it makes a huge difference to my view of his culpability, which is high imo, but not egregiously so fwiw.
I am regularly made aware of far, far worse things thst people do to other human beings in the pursuit of sexual gratification than a guy in his early 40’s shagging 17 year old, who was old enough to consent in this juridstiction - and I’m not sure how much more culpable it makes him that he committed the act in another juridstiction where she wasn’t. Think our laws around sex and consent are about right and proportionate and so I’m happy to use them as a broad yardstick of morality. For me, it remains a reprehensible act, and an abuse of power, but in the scheme of things is quite a way down the list.
He deserves to be punished for what he has done - and I believe he has been, severely so.
Perhaps my view on this is coloured by my parents, who met when my dad was a widower approaching 30 with two young children and my mum was 17. They are still together and happily married approaching 60 years later and probaably explains why I find any accusations of older men who engage legally in sexual activity with sexually mature (in a biological sense) females as being akin to abusing pre-pubescent children to be utterly absurd and hopelessly simplistic.
Some girls thst age are better equipped to deal with advances from older men than others. My parents happy and enduring marriage is living proof of that.