Erling Haaland

[waspish]

I agree with you but spending, whether it's transfer fees or wages paid, has always been part of football reporting, well ever since i can remember and i'm in my 50's.

My point is that clubs always want harmony in the dressing room and a player coming in earning nearly 50% more than our best player may cause problems, especially if he hasn't been seen to earn it!

Depends on every individual how they see it.. you could do a contract that a player is on 200k but you can say every game you play every goal you score every clean sheet every game the team wins you get x y or z more! There’s ways around it!

 

[Dribble]

That would go for every other team though.

Other teams have other finance models, where players accept the megastars will be paid markedly more. If Haaland came to City on £600k per week, I'd imagine KDB, Sterling etc having something to say about it.

 

[waspish]

Other teams have other finance models, where players accept the megastars will be paid markedly more. If Haaland came to City on £600k per week, I'd imagine KDB, Sterling etc having something to say about it.

Very much doubt it we don’t sign players with that mentality we do our research unlike the scum

 

[OccupiedPalestineBlues]

I'm pretty sure dom wasn't providing a theory on how the best teams with the best players can end up with lower wage bills than inferior teams with inferior players.

Maybe I missed something?
I took it that he was espousing a theory that paying the asking price & daft wages early saves wages in the long term, and that he was using the American salary capped model that he quoted to support it.
I responded hoping for clarification because it simply didn’t map out, not in the least, but as I mentioned I may have missed something . . we all do sometimes, it’s part of the human condition and I don’t claim to be an exception :-D

 

[talkativesprout]

Other teams have other finance models, where players accept the megastars will be paid markedly more. If Haaland came to City on £600k per week, I'd imagine KDB, Sterling etc having something to say about it.

How about 400k a week rising to 600k a week if he hits 30 goals or more in a season, then stick that in KDB and Stirling's or some other realistic performance related pay bonus next contract to remain fair and proper if they get arsey.

 

[Legal Alien]

How about 400k a week rising to 600k a week if he hits 30 goals or more in a season, then stick that in KDB and Stirling's or some other realistic performance related pay bonus next contract to remain fair and proper if they get arsey.

I'm not sure that you need to put a goal figure on it, but yeah put in incentives that get triggered when he proves he can score regularly in the league.
If he does what we all hope he can, then i have no problem paying him the money and that goes for any player.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

How about 400k a week rising to 600k a week if he hits 30 goals or more in a season, then stick that in KDB and Stirling's or some other realistic performance related pay bonus next contract to remain fair and proper if they get arsey.

I would never link pay to things like individual goals. Performance is a team thing, so it should only ever be linked to team results imo. The last thing you want is players thinking about themselves in key moments, maybe arguing over penalties and free kicks, because they need just one more goal to get them to 30 and add 50% to their wages for the year. I think City already do this btw. When we do well, our wage bill goes up for every player, I think.

But this is the point of disrupting the wage structure. If one player comes in on 600k and that causes others to demand the same, then he's not really cost 600k, he's cost 600k plus the wage increases of everyone else who wants parity, as well as all future signings who come in as the next big thing. If we already had a player on those sort of wages, then this summer Jack Grealish might have rightly said "hang on, I'm the most expensive player in the league, I want the same."

 

[Blue and true]

I watched a cracking film last night called The Firm. The basic premise is this: a young, shooting star of a lawyer (Tom Cruise) is headhunted by a renowned, prestigious law firm. They want him, and before he even leaves the interview room they give him a blank cheque (ok, it probably wasn't a blank cheque, but it would've been a shit tonne more lucre than he'd have received elsewhere).

Crude analogy? Maybe, but real life isn't much different. By the same extension neither is football. Haaland will receive the most money because he's the best in the business. It's why the arguments about him unsettling our wage structure hold little weight. He's a better player than Torres, Sterling, Jesus et al so he'll recieve a higher salary. Of course this is dependant on his incredible form being maintained this season. It makes little difference that he hasn't proven it in our dressing room; he's proven it at a high level long enough now and anyone with half a brain cell, and associated with football (including our own players), can see he's the real deal.

I've beat the Haaland drum plenty enough already but one last opinion, it would be borderline gross negligence if we don't put up a fight to sign him!

Oh, and if you haven't watched The Firm, watch it. Class film.

 

[Maly]

It’s not that though is it. You don’t know what parity clauses are written into each players contract

I’d guess none. We’re a well run club, we’re not those clowns from Trafford mate

To add some weight to my thoughts, we tried to sign Messi last year, who would’ve been on astronomical wages. No way would we try to do that if any players had pay parity. Only an idiot would put that in a players contract

 

[talkativesprout]

I would never link pay to things like individual goals. Performance is a team thing, so it should only ever be linked to team results imo. The last thing you want is players thinking about themselves in key moments, maybe arguing over penalties and free kicks, because they need just one more goal to get them to 30 and add 50% to their wages for the year. I think City already do this btw. When we do well, our wage bill goes up for every player, I think.

But this is the point of disrupting the wage structure. If one player comes in on 600k and that causes others to demand the same, then he's not really cost 600k, he's cost 600k plus the wage increases of everyone else who wants parity, as well as all future signings who come in as the next big thing. If we already had a player on those sort of wages, then this summer Jack Grealish might have rightly said "hang on, I'm the most expensive player in the league, I want the same."

I agree in the main but other attacking players KPI's wouldn't necessarily have to be goals. everything is measured and analysed anyway, just use the data to award bonusses.

 

[Maly]

Obv there’s some exceptions. But that doesn’t go for anyone. I think that KDB or Sterling( probably doesn’t matter anyway since he’s not in the best form anyway) are going to be happy when Haaland is joining for 500k/week when they are under 400 or let’s say not the highest paid players at the club. Especially KDB as the best midfielder in the league/ worldwide and also as our best player.
Haaland is not Messi, Neymar, Ronaldo or Lewandowski where someone on the Level of KDB is happy to be 2nd .

best example is Sané. He is gettin like 17m in Munich and since then players like Coman and Goretzka demand the same. Coman openly cried about it several times .

I get your point, but I don’t agree. It will surely be down to our players mindset. If you’re getting £350k/week, which you’d agreed to for 3 years, you’d have to be a proper greedy **** to want more, just because someone else was getting paid more

Plus, if it’s a player who is going to strengthen the team, why would another player be arsed what they get paid? More trophies, more bonus no?

I have no idea what my colleagues get paid & couldn’t give a shit as I believe what I get paid to be fair for the job that I do & the hours I worn. I’m interested in my wages only. What makes you think the majority of footballers give a shit what a team mate is on?

 

[Maly]

Other teams have other finance models, where players accept the megastars will be paid markedly more. If Haaland came to City on £600k per week, I'd imagine KDB, Sterling etc having something to say about it.

Why? If you got paid £350k/week, would you be arsed what anyone else got paid? I know I wouldn’t

 

[Silva2021]

Reading these comments you can see how tough it is for the club in where to draw the line.

My view is on wages it is not necessarily players asking for parity it is the bench mark.

ATM say our highest is on 400K and someone felt they deserved at least half of the best payed player that it is 200K, move the highest to 600K and that moves up to 300K. Not quite as simple as that but it would become a factor in contract renewals etc.

Agency fee, I think given the release clause we will be more flexible on this. We are not some beacon of light that don’t like money being taken out of the game, we just tend to pay market value. The player/ release clause changes that variable somewhat and as such I see us being flexible.

Simply put I trust our board to put together a deal which should be acceptable to all parties. Whether it will be enough we will see, I can’t see it being the most competitive or increased due to others offering more.

If we where shrewd I feel we should be concentrating on Alfie this year, I feel more then Mino, he will have the most influence over his Son. I also think we stand more chance with him given past relationships and how Mino can not be trusted.

 

[Mad 4 It]

I’d guess none. We’re a well run club, we’re not those clowns from Trafford mate

To add some weight to my thoughts, we tried to sign Messi last year, who would’ve been on astronomical wages. No way would we try to do that if any players had pay parity. Only an idiot would put that in a players contract

Yeah you’re probably right bud

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Why? If you got paid £350k/week, would you be arsed what anyone else got paid? I know I wouldn’t

Ego. Status in the squad. Feeling valued. It's not actually about the money itself.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I agree in the main but other attacking players KPI's wouldn't necessarily have to be goals. everything is measured and analysed anyway, just use the data to award bonusses.

What gets measured gets done. It doesn't matter what KPIs you base it on, as soon as you tell someone that a particular aspect of their performance is going to be measured and that's how their contribution will be judged, that's what they'll focus on, possibly at the expense of other areas, including the many factors that can't be reliably measured. It's one of the banes of the modern workplace.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

I suppose we could always keep the reported weekly wage down (and in line with our wage structure) by paying a huge signing on fee spread over the length of the contract. More than 1 way to skin a cat.

 

[nmc]

I get your point, but I don’t agree. It will surely be down to our players mindset. If you’re getting £350k/week, which you’d agreed to for 3 years, you’d have to be a proper greedy **** to want more, just because someone else was getting paid more

Plus, if it’s a player who is going to strengthen the team, why would another player be arsed what they get paid? More trophies, more bonus no?

I have no idea what my colleagues get paid & couldn’t give a shit as I believe what I get paid to be fair for the job that I do & the hours I worn. I’m interested in my wages only. What makes you think the majority of footballers give a shit what a team mate is on?

Honestly it doesn’t matter how much you are on… £50 a week or £500k a week if someone who you realistically compare yourself with is on more… the toys usually leave the pram.… football is full of egos…And if someone earns more than you it suggests they are more valued than you… and sensitive footballers (and their agents) like to feel valued.

 

[Maly]

.… football is full of egos…And if someone earns more than you it suggests they are more valued than you… and sensitive footballers (and their agents) like to feel valued.

Sorry to say mate, but I find your post incredibly presumptuous & prejudiced

I’ve met a few pros & loads ex pros (nearly all ex-City) in my life & the only one I could say was like that was Ferguson’s son. Proper arrogant, egotistical twat

Some footballers will of course be like that, but that’s the same as any job. They’re normal human beings so not sure why you’re tarring them all with the same brush?

Maybe it’s just me, but if I’m happy with what I earn, I couldn’t care less if my business employed someone on twice my earnings, so I don’t see why people who play football would be any different?

Maybe you’re right, but certainly not in my experience, where I’ve found them exactly the same as anyone else I’ve ever met, just normal blokes, who are great at football

 

[Semper aggressus]

Why do people assume that our players would all suddenly want parity with a new top earner, yet I don’t see anyone saying all the rag players now think they should earn what Ronaldo does, nor when they paid Sanchez about 500k a week.

Why is it only City where everyone will want the same wage as Haaland so ‘upset the dressing room’? I bet they couldn’t give a shit. Once you have a certain level of wealth you’re far less concerned with what others earn. There’s not really that much more you can do with £400k a week that you can‘t with £150k a week to be honest.