Erling Haaland

[Coatigan]

Pep is far better but Klopp is very comparable, different type of coach but still produces results sadly.

Ok fair enough, comparable.

(In the same way Jordan Henderson is comparable with Debruyne.)

 

[TonyM]

I don't like Klopp. He really strikes me as a horrible person who thinks he is fooling everyone into thinking he is funny and decent. He isn't codding us all though.

I don't mind Tuchel or Conte. They don't seem deceptive and what you see seems fair if a bit fiery.

I very much like Pep. He is very honest and very decent. He doesn't have the same charisma as Keegan or Mancini. But I respect him and admire him like no one else. And I think he is very nice guy.

Who is a better manager is just as subjective. They are all in different situations. Best for us though surely could be no one but Pep. How he has improved players is amazing and the execution of the style of play is almost faultless. I dread the day he leaves.

 

[blue oli]

I don't like Klopp. He really strikes me as a horrible person who thinks he is fooling everyone into thinking he is funny and decent. He isn't codding us all though.

I don't mind Tuchel or Conte. They don't seem deceptive and what you see seems fair if a bit fiery.

I very much like Pep. He is very honest and very decent. He doesn't have the same charisma as Keegan or Mancini. But I respect him and admire him like no one else. And I think he is very nice guy.

Who is a better manager is just as subjective. They are all in different situations. Best for us though surely could be no one but Pep. How he has improved players is amazing and the execution of the style of play is almost faultless. I dread the day he leaves.

Klopp is that guy at work who is always nice to your face but stabs you in the back to make sure he gets his way, then carries on smiling at you.

 

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

Klopp is that guy at work who is always nice to your face but stabs you in the back to make sure he gets his way, then carries on smiling at you.

Spot on

Klipperty is one of the Ojays

 

[MadchesterCity]

Pellegrini’s last season was sabotaged by the pending arrival of Pep; it was performing way below its natural level, even factoring in the advancing age of certain players. There was still an unprecedented depth of elite quality here - probably 5 of the top 20 players the league has seen all in the same team at once. It needed reinforcements, but Guardiola bought players for the bench that would be key players in most first 11’s in the league. He should have won what he has here, and probably more.

That 2014 Liverpool team was carried to a title challenge by the attacking trident of Suarez, Sturridge and Sterlingby the time Klopp got there, Suarez and Sterling had forced moves, and Sturridge was crocked.

Klopp also inherited terrible fullbacks in Clyne and Moreno; Pep addressed it by spending about £200m on them to find solutions, while Klopp converted an academy midfielder and brought in an £8m signing from a relegated club, and made them the most effective pair in Europe and catalysts of their overachievement.

Do you not think Klopp could have matched or even eclipsed what Pep has done here? I’d say fewer Carabao cups, but compensated for by European success.

It seems your default (and shared) dislike for Liverpool as a club is obscuring your subjective view of what Klopp’s achieved there.

Klopp is a ****, Liverpool are the ultimate **** collection

 

[OB1]

Klopp got to two Champions League finals with a Liverpool squad that had Karius, Lovren, Origi, and Shaqiri featuring, plus one with a flawed Dortmund side - 4 in 6 years with the depth of quality we have had in that period is a very real possibility.

You have to separate coach from the club; Liverpool are a horrible club, but the Klopp style and project from a sporting standpoint deserves respect; as soon as he goes, they’re back to fighting for top 4. When Pep leaves here, we win just as much if not more, IMO.

Klopp could have taken the easier jobs that Pep has - Bayern, here, plus PSG, Real, Barcelona and the perpetually open chequebook at Old Trafford and collected the default trophies that those clubs do, which would have led to him being unanimously regarded as the best coach of the past 10 years.

Go back to Rag Cafe because I don’t think Haaland will come here? Raiola won’t allow him to come to a club where he’d be locked in - our top players are almost obliged to do a decade, while PSG seem to take any bids for theirs as a declaration of war on Qatar, so he won’t be joining either.

Do you think we’d allow him to sign for anything less than 5/6 years or with a buyout clause? I’d don’t think Real would either, so his next club will be a stepping stone to Spain - Mino will want at least two substantial payments out of him. Bayern might agree to strengthen their monopoly in Germany for a few more seasons and then replace him whoever Dortmund discover in the meantime, while United would gladly take him for the short term #hashtagability for the duration of Rangnick’s tenure, then shift him on for £100m+.

Ronaldo is Haaland’s idol, so being able to play with him will probably appeal to him despite the fact he’s allegedly a Leeds fan who also has a soft spot for City, and ultimately his dad is aboard the Raiola gravy train, so will push for whatever will earn the family the most. He was close to joining them from Salzburg, and many perceived the fact he’d worked with Solskjaer as what almost facilitated it; I think it’s more likely that knowing what a shite manager he is pushed him towards Dortmund instead. Now that obstacle us clear, I think it’ll happen.

I wonder if Haaland thinks his career should be dictated by Raiola's wishes.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

I thought this was the Haaland thread but I think it's turned into a Pep wankfest : /

 

[OB1]

I don't like Klopp. He really strikes me as a horrible person who thinks he is fooling everyone into thinking he is funny and decent. He isn't codding us all though.

I don't mind Tuchel or Conte. They don't seem deceptive and what you see seems fair if a bit fiery.

I very much like Pep. He is very honest and very decent. He doesn't have the same charisma as Keegan or Mancini. But I respect him and admire him like no one else. And I think he is very nice guy.

Who is a better manager is just as subjective. They are all in different situations. Best for us though surely could be no one but Pep. How he has improved players is amazing and the execution of the style of play is almost faultless. I dread the day he leaves.

Pep doesn't have the charisma of Keegan or Mancini! Be interesting to know what players who played for Mancini and Pep think. The way City's current players show devotion to Pep suggests that Pep has plenty of genuine charisma.

 

[Phil1]

I thought this was the Haaland thread but I think it's turned into a Pep wankfest : /

Why don’t you give your thoughts on Haaland then to get it back on track.
God forbid anybody should feel the need to defend our manager when a fuckwit wum is allowed free reign to make digs at him in every post.

 

[St.Pauli support]

Klopp is that guy at work who is always nice to your face but stabs you in the back to make sure he gets his way, then carries on smiling at you.

Klopp - always nice??
Klopp is the complete opposite, somehow very typical German and therefore not too sympathetic in different cultures of communication:

he comes straight to the point and tells you the toughest truth right in your face
if you like it or not. He wants to solve any problems quickly and not be bothered any longer.

But he's doing it behind closed doors or on the training ground, not in the public.

In the next moment he wants to be the nice pub bloke laughing with you through the night as HIS problem with you has been addressed and solved - from HIS point of view.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Why don’t you give your thoughts on Haaland then to get it back on track.
God forbid anybody should feel the need to defend our manager when a fuckwit wum is allowed free reign to make digs at him in every post.

My thoughts on Haaland are simple, sign him ASAP.

As for the wum, has he/she been flirted off yet?

 

[HalfwayUpTheKippax]

This is some grand A bollox. Tell the nurse to lower your meds tonight.

Normally I would take the time to retort such shameful nonsense but I won’t touch scouse lunacy. You have went too far and need a quick fuck off for spouting red propaganda on a blues forum.

Utter slow boring shit…goodbye!

Lower his meds - are you joking. He needs them putting up, preferably to a level that will prevent him returning to BM. Permanently.

 

[simon23]

For me, Haaland is a must...he has everything needed to eb a success here in the prem. Its not just about not letting other teams like utd or Liverpool get him (though that would be bad if they did) but he completes the team,,,,that little bit extra that we are missing.

What makes him stand out is that like Sergio, he can score out of nothing....for me thats what makes players like sergio, Henry better than the likes of Van nistelroy for instance who need the service....

Going for and getting Kane over this lad would be a huge mistake no matter who is making that call.

 

[yatesy94.]

Is funny when Liverpool get beat Klopp shows his true colours and snaps at reporters. Shame them losing is few and far between these days.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Pellegrini’s last season was sabotaged by the pending arrival of Pep; it was performing way below its natural level, even factoring in the advancing age of certain players. There was still an unprecedented depth of elite quality here - probably 5 of the top 20 players the league has seen all in the same team at once. It needed reinforcements, but Guardiola bought players for the bench that would be key players in most first 11’s in the league. He should have won what he has here, and probably more.

That 2014 Liverpool team was carried to a title challenge by the attacking trident of Suarez, Sturridge and Sterlingby the time Klopp got there, Suarez and Sterling had forced moves, and Sturridge was crocked.

Klopp also inherited terrible fullbacks in Clyne and Moreno; Pep addressed it by spending about £200m on them to find solutions, while Klopp converted an academy midfielder and brought in an £8m signing from a relegated club, and made them the most effective pair in Europe and catalysts of their overachievement.

Do you not think Klopp could have matched or even eclipsed what Pep has done here? I’d say fewer Carabao cups, but compensated for by European success.

It seems your default (and shared) dislike for Liverpool as a club is obscuring your subjective view of what Klopp’s achieved there.

Not especially so, your revisionism seems to want it both ways?

Liverpool spent decent amounts on both Moreno and Clyne, certainly for the period in question.

City had the services of a £5.6m Pablo Zabaleta, for nigh on a decade and into his thirties.

Throw into the mix a £6m Gael Clichy, a free transfer in Sagna and a player in Kolorov, £17m, albeit, one who divided opinion, and City were winning trophies with our full-backs stable for a good number of years, for the approx outlay of £28m.

Re Pep - Walker was £50m when the market had already shifted upwards across that decade.

Same goes for the disaster that is Mendy.

But throw in converted full-backs of Zinchenko and Delph, at a total cost of £11m and I would counter back at you that Klopp would not have been able to do likewise for this team, and losing Robertson for any length of serious time would have seen the wheels fall off his team, such is his integral component.

You can't have it both ways. Delph and Zinchenko are midfielders and been outstanding converts, yet you want to laud Klopp for converting Alexander, when it was already well known at Melwood he was coming through but struggled as an outright midfielder and to be defined.

Does Klopp win us a Champions League trophy without De Bruyne also missing for several months?

Does he win our team the trophies Pep still managed to that year?

Even Cancelo, widely considered to be one of the best full backs on the planet right now, is a £28m balancing trade on a £25m Danilo.

I would argue Pep has had Klopp's number for at least three seasons now and has evolved again, evidenced in results and performances against Liverpool over our last eight matches.

If we wanted to play a numbers game, people could cite we bought Aguero for £35m for ten years service and now have a vaccumn to fill which is going to cost ten of millions, simply because of demand and market conditions.

On the flip side, Klopp has had the benefit of spending £37m on Salah, £40m on Mane and £10m on Firminho.

A good manager, yes, but perhaps one dimensional and with the players City would have had at it disposal, I'd argue not only would he have not gone one better than Pep in the Champions League, we would not have three titles in four years either.

What does it say about Klopp as a manager when you perhaps quite rightly state the wheels will likely fall off there when he leaves?

It says he is very good at his job, whereas we have a manager who not only wins in the present, but has created a template for the future.

I'd take that trade off against two trophies in six years, even if one was a Champions League win against Spurs.

 

[Daz_Blue]

With Dortmund being out of the champs league lets get him in next month ...... imagine the piss boiling if he signed in the new year :)

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Not especially so, your revisionism seems to want it both ways?

Liverpool spent decent amounts on both Moreno and Clyne, certainly for the period in question.

City had the services of a £5.6m Pablo Zabaleta, for nigh on a decade and into his thirties.

Throw into the mix a £6m Gael Clichy, a free transfer in Sagna and a player in Kolorov, £17m, albeit, one who divided opinion, and City were winning trophies with our full-backs stable for a good number of years, for the approx outlay of £28m.

Re Pep - Walker was £50m when the market had already shifted upwards across that decade.

Same goes for the disaster that is Mendy.

But throw in converted full-backs of Zinchenko and Delph, at a total cost of £11m and I would counter back at you that Klopp would not have been able to do likewise for this team, and losing Robertson for any length of serious time would have seen the wheels fall off his team, such is his integral component.

You can't have it both ways. Delph and Zinchenko are midfielders and been outstanding converts, yet you want to laud Klopp for converting Alexander, when it was already well known at Melwood he was coming through but struggled as an outright midfielder and to be defined.

Does Klopp win us a Champions League trophy without De Bruyne also missing for several months?

Does he win our team the trophies Pep still managed to that year?

Even Cancelo, widely considered to be one of the best full backs on the planet right now, is a £28m balancing trade on a £25m Danilo.

I would argue Pep has had Klopp's number for at least three seasons now and has evolved again, evidenced in results and performances against Liverpool over our last eight matches.

If we wanted to play a numbers game, people could cite we bought Aguero for £35m for ten years service and now have a vaccumn to fill which is going to cost ten of millions, simply because of demand and market conditions.

On the flip side, Klopp has had the benefit of spending £37m on Salah, £40m on Mane and £10m on Firminho.

A good manager, yes, but perhaps one dimensional and with the players City would have had at it disposal, I'd argue not only would he have not gone one better than Pep in the Champions League, we would not have three titles in four years either.

What does it say about Klopp as a manager when you perhaps quite rightly state the wheels will likely fall off there when he leaves?

It says he is very good at his job, whereas we have a manager who not only wins in the present, but has created a template for the future.

I'd take that trade off against two trophies in six years, even if one was a Champions League win against Spurs.

a title win handed to them by VAR and a CL handed to them by VAR which knocked us out against Spurs by allowing Llorente's blatant handball goal. They'd have won neither without it. Hardly something to crow about with all the money they've spent and they're entirely reliant on Salah bailing them out. One torn knee ligament like happened to Van Dijk last season and their season is over, again. Doesn't happen when our key players are out for extended periods of time.

 

[OB1]

Not especially so, your revisionism seems to want it both ways?

Liverpool spent decent amounts on both Moreno and Clyne, certainly for the period in question.

City had the services of a £5.6m Pablo Zabaleta, for nigh on a decade and into his thirties.

Throw into the mix a £6m Gael Clichy, a free transfer in Sagna and a player in Kolorov, £17m, albeit, one who divided opinion, and City were winning trophies with our full-backs stable for a good number of years, for the approx outlay of £28m.

Re Pep - Walker was £50m when the market had already shifted upwards across that decade.

Same goes for the disaster that is Mendy.

But throw in converted full-backs of Zinchenko and Delph, at a total cost of £11m and I would counter back at you that Klopp would not have been able to do likewise for this team, and losing Robertson for any length of serious time would have seen the wheels fall off his team, such is his integral component.

You can't have it both ways. Delph and Zinchenko are midfielders and been outstanding converts, yet you want to laud Klopp for converting Alexander, when it was already well known at Melwood he was coming through but struggled as an outright midfielder and to be defined.

Does Klopp win us a Champions League trophy without De Bruyne also missing for several months?

Does he win our team the trophies Pep still managed to that year?

Even Cancelo, widely considered to be one of the best full backs on the planet right now, is a £28m balancing trade on a £25m Danilo.

I would argue Pep has had Klopp's number for at least three seasons now and has evolved again, evidenced in results and performances against Liverpool over our last eight matches.

If we wanted to play a numbers game, people could cite we bought Aguero for £35m for ten years service and now have a vaccumn to fill which is going to cost ten of millions, simply because of demand and market conditions.

On the flip side, Klopp has had the benefit of spending £37m on Salah, £40m on Mane and £10m on Firminho.

A good manager, yes, but perhaps one dimensional and with the players City would have had at it disposal, I'd argue not only would he have not gone one better than Pep in the Champions League, we would not have three titles in four years either.

What does it say about Klopp as a manager when you perhaps quite rightly state the wheels will likely fall off there when he leaves?

It says he is very good at his job, whereas we have a manager who not only wins in the present, but has created a template for the future.

I'd take that trade off against two trophies in six years, even if one was a Champions League win against Spurs.

It's all hypothetical what Klopp might have done at City; other than it would be different.

What is fact is that Pep has produced teams that break records galore, win lots of trophies and continue to evolve. By any measure, what Pep has done is remarkable. What he has done though is not the most important thing, let's see what he does with this season.

 

[OB1]

a title win handed to them by VAR and a CL handed to them by VAR which knocked us out against Spurs by allowing Llorente's blatant handball goal. They'd have won neither without it. Hardly something to crow about with all the money they've spent and they're entirely reliant on Salah bailing them out. One torn knee ligament like happened to Van Dijk last season and their season is over, again. Doesn't happen when our key players are out for extended periods of time.

Pep has proved time and again that his way of playing is more important that individual players but it does require a squad of quality players.

 

[Paul1970]

For me, Haaland is a must...he has everything needed to eb a success here in the prem. Its not just about not letting other teams like utd or Liverpool get him (though that would be bad if they did) but he completes the team,,,,that little bit extra that we are missing.

What makes him stand out is that like Sergio, he can score out of nothing....for me thats what makes players like sergio, Henry better than the likes of Van nistelroy for instance who need the service....

Going for and getting Kane over this lad would be a huge mistake no matter who is making that call.

Everyone knows he is the ideal choice but the deal has to be right and he also needs to want to come to us .