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kabuverdimcfc said:
Why not a World class winger ?
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Why not a World class winger ?
Bill
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xbuddyx said:The strategy behind the first signings after Mansour took over is pretty simple. Players who are above decent just so the club would be able to sign world class later. The Adebayors, kolos and such was really needed for the club to eventually sign players like David Silva and Kun Aguero. The only thing City could compete with was money so ofcause the contracts are horribly overpayed. But it was needed for the club to grow into Mansours ambition.
On another note. Selling Balotelli would simply put be a horrible move. Do not underestimate the amount of supporters Mario brings to the club. He is worth every penny.
No good trying to educate them mate, I've tried. They are too fucking thick to see that the club and Hughes had no choice at that stage of our development.
Hughes was an ex rag, that was enough for some to hate him from the off. Juvinile or what.
southern muppet
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Ray78 said:remember arthur mann said:Agent Hughes was a disgrace, he put City back two years.
Another one to blame was the former Portsmouth owner. If he didn't start shooting his mouth off when we were first taken over then we wouldn't of been taken for the ride as well.
We would tbh, people weren't exactly not going to notice we had access to billions of pounds just because we were a bit more subtle about it.
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Just for the sake of fairness and accuracy (not always present hereabouts) Hughes did not take Barton to QPR he inherited him from Warnock, also he took current flavour of the week Dembele to Fulham for a fairly small fee.
Chippy_boy
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de niro said:xbuddyx said:The strategy behind the first signings after Mansour took over is pretty simple. Players who are above decent just so the club would be able to sign world class later. The Adebayors, kolos and such was really needed for the club to eventually sign players like David Silva and Kun Aguero. The only thing City could compete with was money so ofcause the contracts are horribly overpayed. But it was needed for the club to grow into Mansours ambition.
On another note. Selling Balotelli would simply put be a horrible move. Do not underestimate the amount of supporters Mario brings to the club. He is worth every penny.
No good trying to educate them mate, I've tried. They are too fucking thick to see that the club and Hughes had no choice at that stage of our development.
Hughes was an ex rag, that was enough for some to hate him from the off. Juvinile or what.
I have only one thing to say to this: RSC.
Absolutely, completely and totally inexcusable signing. The guy was on crutches when we penned paper. Utterly ridiculous.
el blue
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Chippy_boy said:de niro said:xbuddyx said:The strategy behind the first signings after Mansour took over is pretty simple. Players who are above decent just so the club would be able to sign world class later. The Adebayors, kolos and such was really needed for the club to eventually sign players like David Silva and Kun Aguero. The only thing City could compete with was money so ofcause the contracts are horribly overpayed. But it was needed for the club to grow into Mansours ambition.
On another note. Selling Balotelli would simply put be a horrible move. Do not underestimate the amount of supporters Mario brings to the club. He is worth every penny.
No good trying to educate them mate, I've tried. They are too fucking thick to see that the club and Hughes had no choice at that stage of our development.
Hughes was an ex rag, that was enough for some to hate him from the off. Juvinile or what.
I have only one thing to say to this: RSC.
Absolutely, completely and totally inexcusable signing. The guy was on crutches when we penned paper. Utterly ridiculous.
Lesley vit there
Neville Kneville
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Chippy_boy said:de niro said:xbuddyx said:The strategy behind the first signings after Mansour took over is pretty simple. Players who are above decent just so the club would be able to sign world class later. The Adebayors, kolos and such was really needed for the club to eventually sign players like David Silva and Kun Aguero. The only thing City could compete with was money so ofcause the contracts are horribly overpayed. But it was needed for the club to grow into Mansours ambition.
On another note. Selling Balotelli would simply put be a horrible move. Do not underestimate the amount of supporters Mario brings to the club. He is worth every penny.
No good trying to educate them mate, I've tried. They are too fucking thick to see that the club and Hughes had no choice at that stage of our development.
Hughes was an ex rag, that was enough for some to hate him from the off. Juvinile or what.
I have only one thing to say to this: RSC.
Absolutely, completely and totally inexcusable signing. The guy was on crutches when we penned paper. Utterly ridiculous.
This is true but & it probably cost him his job, but it doesn't change the fact that Hughes' signings were, on the whole, amongst the best we could have hoped for at that time & many of them did exactly what they were brought in to do. Some of them are still doing it now & are part of the backbone of the Champions.
The idea that we shouldn't add world class talent because we already have world class talent is utter fucking bollocks.
The clubs that make it to the Champions League final are almost always clubs who buy the player many people ask "do they really need him".
Every year Barcelona continue to add to improve. Why buy Alexis Sanchez when you have Pedro? Why buy Alex Song when you have Busquets and Mascherano? Why buy Fabregas when you have Xavi, Iniesta, Thiago and co.
Real Madrid go out and buy a midfielder such as Luka Modric. Bayern add the likes of Shaqiri and co. And when their backs are against the wall the Rags buy RvP. Chelsea completely revamp buying Hazard and Oscar (two of the best young players available).
I'm sure at the end of the day we can say "do they really need him" the answer is yes. Because the strong are always getting stronger. The league is always getting stronger. If we think clubs are content with losing to us and taking the obligatory midtable finish we are surely wrong. As the Premier League grows so do the squads of each club. The difference between 1st and 5th is not a class apart... But a few key pieces. Pieces I still think we can improve on.
We are coming to the cusp where some of our most favorite players... While good, can be replaced. I hear cried of "you can't buy player X, we already have this lad!". And while I feel sorry for such players... I think we can all agree that we need improvement and not just in squad depth. We had many days of rest and still dropped points in Europe and on the road.
More teams will come at us. Complacency is the killer of all great Empires and most often that complacency comes from within.
The clubs that make it to the Champions League final are almost always clubs who buy the player many people ask "do they really need him".
Every year Barcelona continue to add to improve. Why buy Alexis Sanchez when you have Pedro? Why buy Alex Song when you have Busquets and Mascherano? Why buy Fabregas when you have Xavi, Iniesta, Thiago and co.
Real Madrid go out and buy a midfielder such as Luka Modric. Bayern add the likes of Shaqiri and co. And when their backs are against the wall the Rags buy RvP. Chelsea completely revamp buying Hazard and Oscar (two of the best young players available).
I'm sure at the end of the day we can say "do they really need him" the answer is yes. Because the strong are always getting stronger. The league is always getting stronger. If we think clubs are content with losing to us and taking the obligatory midtable finish we are surely wrong. As the Premier League grows so do the squads of each club. The difference between 1st and 5th is not a class apart... But a few key pieces. Pieces I still think we can improve on.
We are coming to the cusp where some of our most favorite players... While good, can be replaced. I hear cried of "you can't buy player X, we already have this lad!". And while I feel sorry for such players... I think we can all agree that we need improvement and not just in squad depth. We had many days of rest and still dropped points in Europe and on the road.
More teams will come at us. Complacency is the killer of all great Empires and most often that complacency comes from within.
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Some of Hughes signings were excellent, a lot were not.
Without knowing the remit he was given its impossible to say why his transfers were the way they were, is it just the way he is or was he told to get together a team for instant success.
Looking at his signings they are mostly older, experienced players that were designed to have an instant impact, rather than creating a team that will last for years.
While I didn't really rate Hughes and would have much preferred Sven in place when the take over occurred, its not really fair to criticise that much seeing as just dont know what he was tasked with.
RSC is something that lays squarely at his feet though, it just makes no sense at all.
Without knowing the remit he was given its impossible to say why his transfers were the way they were, is it just the way he is or was he told to get together a team for instant success.
Looking at his signings they are mostly older, experienced players that were designed to have an instant impact, rather than creating a team that will last for years.
While I didn't really rate Hughes and would have much preferred Sven in place when the take over occurred, its not really fair to criticise that much seeing as just dont know what he was tasked with.
RSC is something that lays squarely at his feet though, it just makes no sense at all.
de niro said:xbuddyx said:The strategy behind the first signings after Mansour took over is pretty simple. Players who are above decent just so the club would be able to sign world class later. The Adebayors, kolos and such was really needed for the club to eventually sign players like David Silva and Kun Aguero. The only thing City could compete with was money so ofcause the contracts are horribly overpayed. But it was needed for the club to grow into Mansours ambition.
On another note. Selling Balotelli would simply put be a horrible move. Do not underestimate the amount of supporters Mario brings to the club. He is worth every penny.
No good trying to educate them mate, I've tried. They are too fucking thick to see that the club and Hughes had no choice at that stage of our development.
Hughes was an ex rag, that was enough for some to hate him from the off. Juvinile or what.
Agree with you to an extent but where hughes has no absolutely no leg to stand on is the signing of santa cruz and maybe to a lesser extent bridge. RSC signing was gross incompetency. To spend so much on a player with his injury record and sign him while he was actually carrying a knee injury was a sackable offence in itself.
But i do agree in general about signings such as kolo, adebayor etc etc. It creates a problem now but if they club had its time over again i don’t think it would do too much differently
mancitymick
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Funny how there are fans who mock Hughes signings now. Part one of the project was to get the initial players in to get us to the next level. That was achieved. None of us moaned when we bought them. Barry, De Jong, Kompany, Tevez. Yeh crap signings
mancitymick said:Funny how there are fans who mock Hughes signings now. Part one of the project was to get the initial players in to get us to the next level. That was achieved. None of us moaned when we bought them. Barry, De Jong, Kompany, Tevez. Yeh crap signings
Exactly right. I'd say as far costing us results, Savic was the poorest buy in some years. He was never ready for the Premier League at such a high level.
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alky313 said:mancitymick said:Funny how there are fans who mock Hughes signings now. Part one of the project was to get the initial players in to get us to the next level. That was achieved. None of us moaned when we bought them. Barry, De Jong, Kompany, Tevez. Yeh crap signings
Exactly right. I'd say as far costing us results, Savic was the poorest buy in some years. He was never ready for the Premier League at such a high level.
Hughes did not buy Savic
xbuddyx
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Im not in any way defending Hughes. I generally think he's a horrible manager. Im just saying that i understand the vision behind most of the signings. The original signings was just a massive splash of cash where the hope was atleast a few of the signing would turn into class. As harsh as it sounds the players signed in the first phase of Mansour should be considered as puppets, or placeholders where their only reason for being in the club was to make it attractive enough to sign class. They were a statement that Mansour ment serious buisness and didnt just talk the talk but also walked the walk.
And yes alot of the players has proven to be horrible transfers, RSC included. But every transfer had a logic behind them. The most boggling transfer for me is Jó, but wasn't that Svens doing?
And yes alot of the players has proven to be horrible transfers, RSC included. But every transfer had a logic behind them. The most boggling transfer for me is Jó, but wasn't that Svens doing?
mancitymick said:alky313 said:mancitymick said:Funny how there are fans who mock Hughes signings now. Part one of the project was to get the initial players in to get us to the next level. That was achieved. None of us moaned when we bought them. Barry, De Jong, Kompany, Tevez. Yeh crap signings
Exactly right. I'd say as far costing us results, Savic was the poorest buy in some years. He was never ready for the Premier League at such a high level.
Hughes did not buy Savic
Such is my point... Hughes signing RSC was a hit to the wage bill but it certainly never costed us the kinds of points Savic did. If we are to hold Hughes accountable for RSC then we must hold Roberto accountable for buying Savic and not giving him the proper venue to develop his talents?
prairiemoon said:Kolo Toure was NOT a bad signing.
Why - does he do something special; 'behind the scenes', that we're not aware of?!
JGL07
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alky313 said:mancitymick said:alky313 said:Exactly right. I'd say as far costing us results, Savic was the poorest buy in some years. He was never ready for the Premier League at such a high level.
Hughes did not buy Savic
Such is my point... Hughes signing RSC was a hit to the wage bill but it certainly never costed us the kinds of points Savic did. If we are to hold Hughes accountable for RSC then we must hold Roberto accountable for buying Savic and not giving him the proper venue to develop his talents?
OK. Tell me how many points Stefan Savic cost City last season? I would suggest it is somewhere between 0 and 2.
He was involved in 11 League matches (5 starts and 6 sub appearances). City won ten of those matches and lost the other (away to Swansea). You could blame Savic for misplacing a pass in the Swansea half but others were culpable.
johnmc
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ANY1aBLUE said:prairiemoon said:Kolo Toure was NOT a bad signing.
Why - does he do something special; 'behind the scenes', that we're not aware of?!
Possibly - who knows if Yaya would have arrived without him being here
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Which points have we dropped in the league due to Savic?<br /><br />-- Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:50 pm --<br /><br />alky313 said:mancitymick said:Funny how there are fans who mock Hughes signings now. Part one of the project was to get the initial players in to get us to the next level. That was achieved. None of us moaned when we bought them. Barry, De Jong, Kompany, Tevez. Yeh crap signings
Exactly right. I'd say as far costing us results, Savic was the poorest buy in some years. He was never ready for the Premier League at such a high level.
Ah I see you have already made the point I was looking to make. Well played and you just showed alky's ignorance.JGL07 said:alky313 said:mancitymick said:Hughes did not buy Savic
Such is my point... Hughes signing RSC was a hit to the wage bill but it certainly never costed us the kinds of points Savic did. If we are to hold Hughes accountable for RSC then we must hold Roberto accountable for buying Savic and not giving him the proper venue to develop his talents?
OK. Tell me how many points Stefan Savic cost City last season? I would suggest it is somewhere between 0 and 2.
He was involved in 11 League matches (5 starts and 6 sub appearances). City won ten of those matches and lost the other (away to Swansea). You could blame Savic for misplacing a pass in the Swansea half but others were culpable.
Chippy_boy
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alky313 said:mancitymick said:alky313 said:Exactly right. I'd say as far costing us results, Savic was the poorest buy in some years. He was never ready for the Premier League at such a high level.
Hughes did not buy Savic
Such is my point... Hughes signing RSC was a hit to the wage bill but it certainly never costed us the kinds of points Savic did. If we are to hold Hughes accountable for RSC then we must hold Roberto accountable for buying Savic and not giving him the proper venue to develop his talents?
No, not really. Because Hughes was an incompetent tool and Roberto is not.