Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

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Found this interesting piece by WorsleyW.... on the Glass tunnel thread.........Talking about blocks 124,125,126,127 CB1 Level.
Thought some of you might sit in CB1...............

Next season all the people where you sit will use the area within the wall won't they plus further office areas within the west stand which are being removed. So we are reconfiguring our ground. You have sat in an incredible seat for probably 700 for ten years. The club have decided that for the best seats in the stadium they should offer a better experience. Next year if you want to sit there you can if you pay more. If not you will have to move. It was inevitable as our capacity expands to 62,000 and eventually to 76,000 that the club need to have a business model which pays for expansions which requires corporate income to pay for the cheaper seats. It is a fact. Do you think you are entitled to sit in the best seats in the ground forever for 700 quid? I know the club in the newly expanded north stand will offer thousands of cheap seats. This stand will cost upwards of 60 million pounds. Do you know how many years of 300 pound season tickets it will take to pay that off? We don't have idiots running out club in spite of what you think. You may have to move to 125 or 124 etc of you don't want to pay more. Harsh but true. The club make good money from the corporate tickets in spite of some of the bullshit spoken on here.
 
Those who remember the fan survey in 2012 will remember the 8 grand (plus vat) ultimate ticket option...
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Well this is what the new walls are for...
 
Will the attendance with north stand completed still be 62k...given that there will be safe standing
 
Bluep*ss said:
Found this interesting piece by WorsleyW.... on the Glass tunnel thread.........Talking about blocks 124,125,126,127 CB1 Level.
Thought some of you might sit in CB1...............

Next season all the people where you sit will use the area within the wall won't they plus further office areas within the west stand which are being removed. So we are reconfiguring our ground. You have sat in an incredible seat for probably 700 for ten years. The club have decided that for the best seats in the stadium they should offer a better experience. Next year if you want to sit there you can if you pay more. If not you will have to move. It was inevitable as our capacity expands to 62,000 and eventually to 76,000 that the club need to have a business model which pays for expansions which requires corporate income to pay for the cheaper seats. It is a fact. Do you think you are entitled to sit in the best seats in the ground forever for 700 quid? I know the club in the newly expanded north stand will offer thousands of cheap seats. This stand will cost upwards of 60 million pounds. Do you know how many years of 300 pound season tickets it will take to pay that off? We don't have idiots running out club in spite of what you think. You may have to move to 125 or 124 etc of you don't want to pay more. Harsh but true. The club make good money from the corporate tickets in spite of some of the bullshit spoken on here.
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so they will pay for the expansion with 300 quid tickets ?. so not with the increased revenues, huge tv deal, one of the richest owners in the world, all the other revenue streams. its as if your saying just accept, it doesnt matter if your being forced out or priced out just accept it. the whole of level 2 will be corporate and most teams dont have corporate sections in level 1. basically move the poorer people out and put them in seats with worse views ?. the corporate sections are half empty most games and despite the bullshit spoken on here we do not have the corporate fan base to fill that many seats.

if the club charged fans 7,000 pound do you think thats alright ? it sums up everything thats wrong with football for me, chase the money at the expense of actual fans.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
so they will pay for the expansion with 300 quid tickets ?. so not with the increased revenues, huge tv deal, one of the richest owners in the world, all the other revenue streams. its as if your saying just accept, it doesnt matter if your being forced out or priced out just accept it. the whole of level 2 will be corporate and most teams dont have corporate sections in level 1. basically move the poorer people out and put them in seats with worse views ?. the corporate sections are half empty most games and despite the bullshit spoken on here we do not have the corporate fan base to fill that many seats.

if the club charged fans 7,000 pound do you think thats alright ? it sums up everything thats wrong with football for me, chase the money at the expense of actual fans.
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From the new figures taken roughly. We turnover 390 mill and make a 20 mill profit without owner input which under UEFA fair play we have to do. As match day only accounts for 50 million of that then aren't fans being subsidised by the commercial and tv revenues just as you say they should be ?
We have a stadium which hasnt got a bad seat but the so called best seats will be dearer and subsidise the cheaper £299 ones in any eaxpansion which Abu Dhabi pay to build.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
so they will pay for the expansion with 300 quid tickets ?. so not with the increased revenues, huge tv deal, one of the richest owners in the world, all the other revenue streams. its as if your saying just accept, it doesnt matter if your being forced out or priced out just accept it. the whole of level 2 will be corporate and most teams dont have corporate sections in level 1. basically move the poorer people out and put them in seats with worse views ?. the corporate sections are half empty most games and despite the bullshit spoken on here we do not have the corporate fan base to fill that many seats.

if the club charged fans 7,000 pound do you think thats alright ? it sums up everything thats wrong with football for me, chase the money at the expense of actual fans.
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Mate, it's a straight choice, either expand the ground and have more corporate tickets, or don't expand the ground.

It costs £50m to expand the North Stand to add 5000 seats. If they were all £300 season tickets, it would take 33 years to pay for itself. As much as I love our owners, they're not stupid. That would be a lousy investment.

Why would they shell out £50m just so pur fans have bragging rights over having a bigger ground? They wouldn't, any expansion has to make financial sense.

If they can expand the stadium, make more affordable tickets available and increase revenue by huge amounts elsewhere to pay for it, surely that's a good thing? Those seats in 126 could go from generating £700 a year to generating £500 a match. That would go a long way towards paying for the expansion and more cheap seats elsewhere.

Liverpool have already come out and said further expansion is not possible because it's not commercially viable, they are stuck. Whereas our owners have a plan. They want to expand, they want more working class fans to come and see the team. But they're not running a charity, the expansion has to make commercial sense for them.

I'm genuinely gutted for families and older blues being moved and separated. They've got a genuine grievance with the club and I respect that.

But if the grievance are so great that the changes can't go ahead then we should just not expand and stay as we are. It's unreasonable to expect the club to shell out £50m for a new stand and not expect any return on investment, we have to be realistic.
 
Shaelumstash said:
Mate, it's a straight choice, either expand the ground and have more corporate tickets, or don't expand the ground.

It costs £50m to expand the North Stand to add 5000 seats. If they were all £300 season tickets, it would take 33 years to pay for itself. As much as I love our owners, they're not stupid. That would be a lousy investment.

Why would they shell out £50m just so pur fans have bragging rights over having a bigger ground? They wouldn't, any expansion has to make financial sense.

If they can expand the stadium, make more affordable tickets available and increase revenue by huge amounts elsewhere to pay for it, surely that's a good thing? Those seats in 126 could go from generating £700 a year to generating £500 a match. That would go a long way towards paying for the expansion and more cheap seats elsewhere.

Liverpool have already come out and said further expansion is not possible because it's not commercially viable, they are stuck. Whereas our owners have a plan. They want to expand, they want more working class fans to come and see the team. But they're not running a charity, the expansion has to make commercial sense for them.

I'm genuinely gutted for families and older blues being moved and separated. They've got a genuine grievance with the club and I respect that.

But if the grievance are so great that the changes can't go ahead then we should just not expand and stay as we are. It's unreasonable to expect the club to shell out £50m for a new stand and not expect any return on investment, we have to be realistic.
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If Liverpool can't make it work,why can we? (Assuming we are going ahead).

I think we are looking at return on investment, not in terms of % return per capita spend, but in terms of prestige.
 
900 seats at 8000 a season is 7.2 million a season. 5000 seats at 300 a season is 1.5 million. thats is why this is being done.
 
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