Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[oakiecokie]

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Conn by name and con by nature.
Once again this so called City fan belittles our Owner by his constant whinging via media outlets to show his own personal vendetta for his own "hidden agenda".
Was this the guy who claimed "City had lost its soul" when our magnificent Owner decided that City could move forward and upwards in the footballing world.
Not only allowing us to purchase some of the finest world class players that we now have,but also his vision and money have seen the clubs profile raised to a level that after 50+ years of watching my Blues,I for one never dreamt that I would ever see and certainly I could not see them win a trophy of any kind again after 44 years in the footballing wilderness.
Conn,you do NOT speak for or on behalf of the thousands of fans who not only welcomed our wonderful Owner,but we thank him from the bottom of our hearts for his vision and foresight in making Manchester City FC and East Manchester a hot bed of success and a legacy that will never be forgotten by True Blues.

 

[IanBishopsHaircut]

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I've just been having a chat with our David on Twitter...he's less than impressed with my assessment of his article ;-)

 

[City1974]

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It's the main article on the football section however the highlights are:

Love it. Small time c**ts who fill their empty lives by attaching themselves to what was once but no more, guaranteed success as a way of making themelves feel better and important are having the rug pulled from under them lol.

Normally id show some compassion but to these rag c**ts.....never.

Hope every single second of what is about to happen hurts like fuck, c**ts!

They're right you know. The owners of our club should be ashamed of themselves and learn from theirs and invest all the earnings and profits earned from the club back into it and also a small part of their own money so that the club can grow bigger and better every year.


Oh Wait!

Maybe the guardian should have informed HMRC when they ran the Trafford Rangers Tax dodging story in 2012:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/nov/25/manchester-united-tax-glazer-brothers

Maybe Osborne should have gone to Trafford and demanded some money whilst he was in Manchester the other day.

In another point:
Trafford Rangers' profit in 2013-2014 - £ 23,9 million
City loss 2013-2014 - £ 23 million.

Take off the £ 16 million fine from Ueafa and that's around a loss of £ 7 million for City. Thus a difference of some £ 30 million between City and Utd (perhaps the price of 1 good player these days), add to that Utds' tax dodging and Tarfford are sweating so much because things are getting much closer than they want for their comfort.

The accounts in 1 years time will be interesting.

 

[oakiecokie]

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I've just been having a chat with our David on Twitter...he's less than impressed with my assessment of his article ;-)

Did you ask him mate,why he had to show a pitiful 10% was only put into the Community and what the fuck had Sergios transfer had to do in the greater scheme of things ?
You can pass on my message to him "Fuck you Conn".

 

[Second Skin]

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Rather than having a dig at City for 'only' investing £20m in to the local community (on top of the £4m pa we pay), shouldn't he be looking at what other clubs are doing instead?

 

[IanBishopsHaircut]

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I've just been having a chat with our David on Twitter...he's less than impressed with my assessment of his article ;-)

Did you ask him mate,why he had to show a pitiful 10% was only put into the Community and what the fuck had Sergios transfer had to do in the greater scheme of things ?
You can pass on my message to him "Fuck you Conn".

The guy is trying to bring his politics into it...at the end of the day the Sheikh has totally transformed East Manchester's landscape and if you're a City fan...or even just someone who lives in Manchester...you can do nothing but applaud what he has done

Hell...even Ragcafe are struggling to find fault

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

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I've just been having a chat with our David on Twitter...he's less than impressed with my assessment of his article ;-)

Did you ask him mate,why he had to show a pitiful 10% was only put into the Community and what the fuck had Sergios transfer had to do in the greater scheme of things ?
You can pass on my message to him "Fuck you Conn".

The guy is trying to bring his politics into it...at the end of the day the Sheikh has totally transformed East Manchester's landscape and if you're a City fan...or even just someone who lives in Manchester...you can do nothing but applaud what he has done

Hell...even Ragcafe are struggling to find fault

That's how I see it. I can't quite grasp what he means with his parting shot about the "north of England" being way behind UAE seeing as the whole country has record debts.

 

[schfc6]

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My thinking behind David Conn and his very off outlook for a City fan is as follows.

He decided after the take over that all that was wrong with football as he saw it was money. He believed the hype around 'Arab oil money' just buying every player in sight. Thought we'd just be like a football game in a cheat mode.
Something we were all being told would certainly happen. The notion was widespread, we'd keep buying till we won everything.

Whilst for a few months that did seem likely, and during the time we were being linked with almost anyone John Terry and Wayne Rooney included I did question weather this City was the one I'd spent my teenage years following throughout the footballing out posts of England.

My guess David Conn had decided just a little too early that Sheikh Mansour and his money was the beginning of the end for football as he knew it. My bet he was believing the poor quality journalism we have all defended our club against. He bought the money is evil, no good can come of this.

So now, when it's painfully obvious that big bad City are not what people were fearing. They all thought City would be a 5 year play thing, spend £500 million win everything and move on. They or most of the hacks and so called experts are now beginning to see what is really happening. This will be admired at first, but just as it slowly dawned on people we weren't just 'mega bucks' City, buying everyone and anyone it will slowly dawn on folk that this City is growing into a super club. Bigger and stronger than they imagined.

David Conn, obviously fell into the trap that many did, and thought we'd just spend for spendings sake and create success through short term thinking.

We haven't done this, we're building a global super club. Something Conn doesn't wish to admit, as it will be admitting he got it so badly wrong in the first place.

He is now effectively cutting his nose off to spite his face so to speak.

Who in their right mind, let alone a Mancunian City fan would try and discredit what we are doing. I understand the bitter ignorant media, experts and well frankly idiotic public not understanding, wanting to find fault. But a City fan?

Only an idiot would say that giving £20 million in handouts is not good enough. Yes we could have given more. We could also have given nothing.

David Conn has gone too far down the road of Sheikh Mansour is bad to turn back and his subsequent ramblings just highlight a bitterness, not about City, or Mansour but his own misjudgement.

 

[NeilYoungIsBack]

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I wonder what percentage of the Guardians spending went to charitable causes?

Very little I imagine. They've been running up annual losses of between £30m and £50m per year for the last 5 years or so.

Hopefully Conn will be a victim of their next cost-cutting drive.

 

[Mike N]

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'Only £20M' for the love of God! Just think about that statement. Is it me or is £20M not, still, an awful lot of money?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

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The thing is Conn is supposed to be a City fan

He belittles the investment in the community compared to the club, yet negates to mention the Manchester Life housing project that's upcoming.

He genuinely has a dislike for the owners being involved in the club, there's a pretty obvious reason why but the mods on here don't like it being said.

I really lose my rag when idiots come out with this shit time and time again. It's only obvious to those with brain cells in single figures and those whose username is the same as a manager who claimed there was no racism in football, after a player had bananas thrown at him as well as being subjected to monkey chants.

And just to prove you wrong, I'll say it: your reasoning (that no one is supposedly allowed to state on here because we mods don't allow it) is that Conn is Jewish therefore automatically hates all Arabs & Muslims.

But you clearly aren't aware that the club has 2 Jewish directors (both appointed by those Arab Muslims they hate so much) and the late Life President was also Jewish. I'm in the same boat as Conn as I was born Jewish, brought up in a not very religious family but now don't practice at all. So does the same apply to me or am I one of the "good" Jews?

And having said that, I'll tell you that the first thing the (Islamophobic, Arab-hating) David Conn said to me when we met up some time after the takeover wasn't "I wish these dirty Arabs would fuck off" or "Why do we have to be owned by a bunch of Jew-hating Muslims?" but "Isn't it great to be a City fan these days?"

Yes he hates the increasing influence of money in football but that's been a constant and consistent theme of his his since Spurs set up a holding company to get round FA financial rules and a cartel of five clubs blackmailed the others into giving up their share of gate receipts from games played away from home.

I understand where he's coming from and have no problem with him criticising Osborne getting reflected glory when his cuts have hit the most vulnerable the hardest. But I'll also criticise him when I have to and he definitely has a blind-spot over the work being done by our owners in East Manchester. We've had the discussion on more than one occasion and it frustrates me that he can't see that something is better than nothing and that the 'something' is not insubstantial, particularly in a blighted area that desperately needs investment and jobs.

And given that he's been publicly critical of the negative impact that Arsenal & Liverpool's respective stadium plans have had on their local environments, you might think that he'd find something positive to say about developments that should have the opposite impact. When you consider what we put into our community as a club, then perhaps he should contrast that with the impact the Glazers have had in Trafford, Abramovich has had on the poorer areas of West London, FSG have had on the people of Anfield, etc. So I agree it's a cheap shot at a club that has far more involvement in its local community than the vast majority of its peers and it wasn't necessary.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

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"The community facilities for which Manchester is genuinely grateful have been built on 5.5 acres of City’s 80-acre academy, at a cost of £20m."


All of this should be lauded and feted, not ridiculed. Anyone who sneers at this is just a miserable soulless git!

 

[Danny Hoekman]

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"The community facilities for which Manchester is genuinely grateful have been built on 5.5 acres of City’s 80-acre academy, at a cost of £20m."


All of this should be lauded and feted, not ridiculed. Anyone who sneers at this is just a miserable soulless git!

He does have some bizarre thoughts going around in that head of his!

 

[bluekeith]

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I think david conn loves our club but hates our owners because he is a jew with blinkers on

 

[aguero93:20]

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The thing is Conn is supposed to be a City fan

He belittles the investment in the community compared to the club, yet negates to mention the Manchester Life housing project that's upcoming.

He genuinely has a dislike for the owners being involved in the club, there's a pretty obvious reason why but the mods on here don't like it being said.

Conn is Jewish therefore automatically hates all Arabs & Muslims.



Yes he hates these dirty Arabs, a bunch of Jew-hating Muslims .

^^^Ban.

 

[M18CTID]

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I think david conn loves our club but hates our owners because he is a jew with blinkers on

I didn't realise Dave Whelan had an account on here.

 

[adr2.8i]

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We never seem to get the credit we deserve. everything we do is always ridiculed and mocked and surrounded by sarky comments.

We win the league twice - "oh you have bought the title"

We extend the ground - "why?, you dont fill your ground now"

We build the most amazing Academy " why? you wont play any of the kids you produce," or "most kids will want to play for man utd or Liverpool - you know, the big teams with all the history and tradition and the magic surrounding them"

Being a 40yr old "mature" man, i shouldnt let these or any other negative comments about my club affect me, but they do. I try not to get wound up, but i do.

But these comments and remarks just make me even more determined for our club to grow and mature even more, just to pi$$ off the rest of world really. If these comments make me so angry, imagine how the players and the owners and the staff at the club feel? They must be chomping at the bit to make sure we succeed on and off the pitch.

Everyone wants us to fail. We have ruined football. We have ruined the transfer market. We have no history.

Sometimes i feel like its "us" against "the world" :-) And its "us" who will suceed

 

[Anonymous]

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I think david conn loves our club but hates our owners because he is a jew with blinkers on

I didn't realise Dave Whelan had an account on here.

He's releasing a Christmas album:

Ching Along With Dave's Leg.

 

[bluekeith]

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I think david conn loves our club but hates our owners because he is a jew with blinkers on

I didn't realise Dave Whelan had an account on here.

So you can come out with rubbish like " Every Liverpool fan has the blood of 39 innocent football fans on their hands " but I cant say the word jew

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

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I think david conn loves our club but hates our owners because he is a jew with blinkers on

See my reply earlier to the answer to that simple-minded opinion (although you may not like it). And just to reinforce the point, when you listen to the post-match phone-in on GMR, the first caller is usually a well-spoken woman called Joy. I know who she is. She's Jewish (although not that religious as she's there on a Saturday) and there is no one in Manchester who is more fervently pro-Israel than her. She doesn't have a problem with our owners so no one else should.

However you're right that he still supports City in his heart of hearts but I can assure you 100% he doesn't hate our owners. What he hates is the way that modern football has been increasingly dominated by money for the last 40 years and that's quite clear in his writing. He (perhaps grudgingly) certainly accepts that in that money-dominated environment, our owners are as good as you can possibly get but that ultimately clubs should intrinsically be part of their community and majority owned by the fans that make up that community. In an ideal world, I can't see any major objection to that but unfortunately English football, particularly at the top level, isn't in an ideal world.

I'm going to be charitable, as I class him as a friend, and say that (purely in my opinion) he deliberately seeks to escape being accused of having blinkers precisely because he's a City fan. Maybe introducing criticism when none is really warranted is his way of trying to escape the charge that, having accepted the owners' hospitality, he is loath to criticise them and is keen to prove his integrity to readers who are not Blues. Unfortunately, that doesn't endear him to those who are.

We are quick (and right) to criticise the likes of Jamie Jackson and Ian Herbert, who seem to pander to their masters at the Trafford Ministry of Truth, so perhaps we should allow some leeway when someone tries to prove that he isn't in anyone's pocket, however much it may grate.