Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[Metalartin]

Seems a bit petty of ASM. They can just add 1k more seats to the current plans for the Co-op Live, have them hidden and wait until the AO Arena revamp is finished. That'll show um.

 

[Delboy352]

Will be interesting to see what the new FFP rules or whatever the replacement is called has on Stadium development.

Infrastructure costs used to be excluded so you could basically pump money in, not sure if that will be the case with new rules.

If the news from the Old Toilet is to be believed, they will be excluded until they’re done I reckon…

 

[blueparrot]

Seems a bit petty of ASM. They can just add 1k more seats to the current plans for the Co-op Live, have them hidden and wait until the AO Arena revamp is finished. That'll show um.

Sounds like The Empire Stae Building / Chrysler thing.


Upon learning that the Empire State would be 1,000 feet tall, Chrysler changed his plans a final time and fixed a stainless steel spire to the top of his skyscraper. The addition saw the Chrysler Building soar to a record 1,048 feet, but unfortunately for Chrysler, Raskob and Smith simply went back to the drawing board and returned with an even taller design for the Empire State Building. When completed in 1931, the colossus loomed 1,250 feet over the streets of Midtown Manhattan. It would remain the world’s tallest building for nearly 40 years until the completion of the first World Trade Center tower in 1970.

 

[jrb]

I’ve used the iPad to zoom in on the picture. Maybe some slight blurring? Click on the pictures to enlarge.

Not long before the 7 concrete cores (stairs and lift shafts) are completed.

Think the orange excavator is digging a hole in the middle of the site for the crane base?(could be wrong on that) 1 crane is proposed, along with the slow crane crawlers to lift the steel roof trusses into place.

Chris Billington - Linkedin.

Latest aerial photo of Manchester`s new Co op Live Arena project next to Sport City.

Aerial photo by professional aerial photographer 360photosurvey.com from our full size aircraft (not drone) from 1500 ft during our 25th April aerial photoshoot flight operation around the UK`s construction projects for our clients....you can`t do that with a drone.

 

[domalino]

ASM Global, the operator of the 27-year-old city-centre venue, is pushing ahead with redevelopment plans in response to the creation of a rival £300m arena in Eastlands.

When both indoor arenas are redeveloped and built, Manchester will have the 2 biggest capacity indoor arenas in Europe.

The £50m project will “dramatically enhance” the venue and boost its capacity from 21,000 to 24,000, ensuring it remains the largest arena in the city.


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Summer start for £50m revamp of Manchester's AO Arena - Place North West

ASM Global, the operator of the 27-year-old city-centre venue, is pushing ahead with redevelopment plans.

www.placenorthwest.co.uk

Seems a bit petty of ASM. They can just add 1k more seats to the current plans for the Co-op Live, have them hidden and wait until the AO Arena revamp is finished. That'll show um.

Sounds like The Empire Stae Building / Chrysler thing.


Upon learning that the Empire State would be 1,000 feet tall, Chrysler changed his plans a final time and fixed a stainless steel spire to the top of his skyscraper. The addition saw the Chrysler Building soar to a record 1,048 feet, but unfortunately for Chrysler, Raskob and Smith simply went back to the drawing board and returned with an even taller design for the Empire State Building. When completed in 1931, the colossus loomed 1,250 feet over the streets of Midtown Manhattan. It would remain the world’s tallest building for nearly 40 years until the completion of the first World Trade Center tower in 1970.

It is very like the Empire State/Chrysler thing because big acts will only play one venue, in the same way tourists go to the tallest building in the world, not the second tallest.

ASM obviously think that by having 3,000 more seats they will be more attractive than the COOP and they'll win the war.


The problem with that obviously is that Silver Lake have $100Bn behind them, and if they need to operate at a loss to get the big acts to come for a few years they will, and by then MEN will be bankrupt unless something drastic changes.

It's all a bit undignified.

 

[jrb]

It is very like the Empire State/Chrysler thing because big acts will only play one venue, in the same way tourists go to the tallest building in the world, not the second tallest.

ASM obviously think that by having 3,000 more seats they will be more attractive than the COOP and they'll win the war.


The problem with that obviously is that Silver Lake have $100Bn behind them, and if they need to operate at a loss to get the big acts to come for a few years they will, and by then MEN will be bankrupt unless something drastic changes.

It's all a bit undignified.

It’s not 3000 more, it’s 500 more.

AO Arena, 24,000 after refurb.
Coop Live Arena, 23,500 after construction.

It’s more symbolic than anything else. ASM Global want the AO Arena to remain the biggest indoor arena in the UK. (and in Europe) An extra 500 seats won’t sway artists.

Capacity aside, the Coop Live Arena will be brand new, state of the art. Artists and acts will want to play there initially because it‘s a new indoor arena.

 

[blueparrot]

It’s not 3000 more, it’s 500 more.

AO Arena, 24,000 after refurb.
Coop Live Arena, 23,500 after construction.

It’s more symbolic than anything else. ASM Global want the AO Arena to remain the biggest indoor arena in the UK. (and in Europe) An extra 500 seats won’t sway artists.

Capacity aside, the Coop Live Arena will be brand new, state of the art. Artists and acts will want to play there initially because it‘s a new indoor arena.

I haven't been to the Manchester arena,so don't know the AO. However building design will play a big part, I know the Glasgow Hydro, is much more adaptable than the old Glasgow SECC so is easier for different types of events, and can close off sections easier for smaller capacity events.It also has far better acoustics which will sway bands too.
I'm assuming all this has been thought of and incorporated into the Coop arena and will be difficult for the old AO to compete with.

 

[bluemanchester]

Here it is, City-style. I'm on the fence..

Which one, it's hard to make out;-)

 

[Metalartin]

It’s not 3000 more, it’s 500 more.

AO Arena, 24,000 after refurb.
Coop Live Arena, 23,500 after construction.

It’s more symbolic than anything else. ASM Global want the AO Arena to remain the biggest indoor arena in the UK. (and in Europe) An extra 500 seats won’t sway artists.

Capacity aside, the Coop Live Arena will be brand new, state of the art. Artists and acts will want to play there initially because it‘s a new indoor arena.

Yep I spotted that, that's why it seemed petty and I said they could just add 1k more to the build and keep it hush. It was a little tongue in cheek because I'm not sure how much it matters when the difference is that small either tbh. It would be funny, if they did pull a fast one on them though.

 

[jrb]

Yep I spotted that, that's why it seemed petty and I said they could just add 1k more to the build and keep it hush. It was a little tongue in cheek because I'm not sure how much it matters when the difference is that small either tbh. It would be funny, if they did pull a fast one on them though.

It's nothing more than willy waving by ASM Global. My indoor arena (cock) is bigger than your indoor arena.(cock)

The AO Arena internal bowl is superb. The facilities and appearance are currently dated.

The Coop Arena will be state of the art.

Ultimately Manchester will be the winner with 2 state of the art indoor arenas. :-)

 

[jrb]

I haven't been to the Manchester arena,so don't know the AO. However building design will play a big part, I know the Glasgow Hydro, is much more adaptable than the old Glasgow SECC so is easier for different types of events, and can close off sections easier for smaller capacity events.It also has far better acoustics which will sway bands too.
I'm assuming all this has been thought of and incorporated into the Coop arena and will be difficult for the old AO to compete with.

The Coop Live Arena is more adaptable than the Hydro Arena. Floor layouts previously posted from the planning application.

 

[LevyBee76]

Arena semantics here and I have worked in quite a few venues over the past 10 years, but I think there will be a decent spilt between them and both venues will survive, acts playing at the current Arena normally sign a contract to do the ASM venues so will do a combination of Leeds, Newcastle, Hull, Wembley Arena, Hydro and then add on other venues if needed,

The Co-Op will draw a lot of stand alone and one off events both venues and will get events that wouldn't be possible at the other venue (Horse show anyone?)

I think Manchester Central (G-MEX) will feel a hit too in the years to come, especially if/ when a hotel is built on site as the floor footprint and designed bar lay out would make it perfect for conferences.

 

[HelloCity]

Arena semantics here and I have worked in quite a few venues over the past 10 years, but I think there will be a decent spilt between them and both venues will survive, acts playing at the current Arena normally sign a contract to do the ASM venues so will do a combination of Leeds, Newcastle, Hull, Wembley Arena, Hydro and then add on other venues if needed,

The Co-Op will draw a lot of stand alone and one off events both venues and will get events that wouldn't be possible at the other venue (Horse show anyone?)

I think Manchester Central (G-MEX) will feel a hit too in the years to come, especially if/ when a hotel is built on site as the floor footprint and designed bar lay out would make it perfect for conferences.

The Co-Op Live is specifically designed to be the best live music venue on the continent. It won’t be long before the biggest and best stars are performing there over the old arena.

 

[LongsightM13]

Does anyone know why we (or any stadium I can think of) hasn’t gone for the magnetised automatic pint dispensing system that Spurs have? Seems a no brainer - better atmosphere, quicker service, more revenue. 5 seconds per pint is crazy.

Also, saw a video recently that said Spurs are making 3 million profit per home game. Obviously that’s off the back of higher prices which I hope we avoid, but that’s massive.

Been in hospitality at Spurs couple of times. Good range of beers in real pint pots and cheaper than most places in Manchester city centre

 

[willipp]

Been in hospitality at Spurs couple of times. Good range of beers in real pint pots and cheaper than most places in Manchester city centre

Cant be better than the beer at City, it's truly delightful stuff.

 

[Northerndave]

Does anyone know why we (or any stadium I can think of) hasn’t gone for the magnetised automatic pint dispensing system that Spurs have? Seems a no brainer - better atmosphere, quicker service, more revenue. 5 seconds per pint is crazy.

Also, saw a video recently that said Spurs are making 3 million profit per home game. Obviously that’s off the back of higher prices which I hope we avoid, but that’s massive.

I went to the NFL where they charged £7 a pint for Budweiser (due to NFL licencing deals).

However I believe that on a normal match day for Spurs fans, Pints are £4 and the bars are open before and after the game. They even have an onsite brewery for Beavertown as I was drinking Gamma Ray. It was served quickly and in plastic pint pots.

The local bars are livid as thousands of fans stay on for food and drink after the game before travelling home.

It's night and day between the experience at Spuds and the Etihad, we have a good stadium but it needs a serious revamp to provide a better matchday experience.

 

[crazyg]

They're not dead, they're just resting.

They're not resting.
They've passed on.

 

[Gordyola]

Does anyone know why we (or any stadium I can think of) hasn’t gone for the magnetised automatic pint dispensing system that Spurs have? Seems a no brainer - better atmosphere, quicker service, more revenue. 5 seconds per pint is crazy.

Also, saw a video recently that said Spurs are making 3 million profit per home game. Obviously that’s off the back of higher prices which I hope we avoid, but that’s massive.

I somehow doubt that its £3m profit more like that's turnover

 

[Prophet of Doom]

An extra 500 capacity means nothing in the bigger picture. ASM have no way of making a decent music venue other than demolishing it and starting again.

They will still get gigs as mentioned above due to the arrangements with tours including other ASM venues - however they will suffer the same shit facilities the AO has had for years.

 

[jrb]

Slightly off topic.

A new entertainment venue for before and after the match.

City are facing a lot of competition on their doorstep in and around the NQ, Ancoats, and New Islington.

It will be interesting to see whether people stay on at the Coop Live Arena for drinks and food after the acts and events are over, or if they head back into town?

Hospitality company Very Inc has lodged a planning application to create a 3,000-capacity venue, featuring a beer hall and night market, at the former Presbar Diecasting Foundry on Store Street.

• Office and creative spaces for art and technology start-ups
• A beer hall selling a large variety of beers from small local breweries
• Night market – designed to be an immersive experience that includes a mixture of immersive entertainment, with circus and theatre performers and themed market stalls
• A garden featuring two shipping container bars, four pergolas, and a 1,550 sq ft tent
• A bakery
• Seven spaces for small retailers
• A gym featuring free weights, CrossFit and boot camp sessions
• Private hire function room
• 29 new electric vehicle charging points
• Improvements to Paradise Walk between Store Street and Ducie Street.

Major Manchester leisure scheme progresses - Place North West

Hospitality company Very Inc has lodged a planning application to create a 3,000-capacity venue, featuring a beer hall and night market, at the former Presbar Diecasting Foundry on Store Street.

www.placenorthwest.co.uk