Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[Silva61]

Somebody may correct me if I’m wrong but I think the limit you can sell on it is ten. As far as I’m aware you can list unlimited until it has sold ten times then you’re blocked.

So you can be a season ticket holder and attend less than half the games, no system is completely fair as someone pointed out with doing shift work and last minute stuff.
It does appear very generous from the club, I'd be pissed off if I was in the queue.

 

[nmc]

An expanded North Stand will pay for itself eventually, whether that’s 5, 10, or 15 years later. City will never lose money on a North Stand expansion, long-term, just like they won’t lose money on the South Stand expansion.

How many years will it take the CFG to make money from the Coop Live Arena after investing £175mill in it? Don’t forget, CFG have to split any profit with OVG and Harry Styles.

By the time City have paid off the 250 year Etihad Stadium (Council House, arf) lease/rent, it will have cost City close to £1.000.000.

I’m not getting all these arguments that City won’t recoup the cost of expanding the North Stand because they will. (eventually)

Your point is true but, we don’t live in a vacuum… ADUG only have so much money to invest and they are no fools - if they can invest £300m and get a return in 7 years or invest the same and get it back in 25 - which will they chose. In all organisations there is competition for funds - so the City Board will make a case that secures the investment - and that’ll include a timeframe for a realistic return on the investment.

 

[jrb]

I think you are missing a few zeros on the cost of the”Council House” mate.

There's going to be a new North Stand. It’s just a question of what it will look like, the price of the tickets etc. FWIW, the income raised from the North Stand probably doesn’t have to deliver the return on investment alone because more corporates sales in East Stand Level 2 (North East side) and possibly the equivalent seats in CB2 (eventually) might be factored into the calculations. As might extra bar and club shop capacity (income forecasts) behind the North Stand. I realise that would only cover a small part of the cost.

Sorry, I am. :-)

Would have been easier to write £1billion.

 

[Beaker]

So you can be a season ticket holder and attend less than half the games, no system is completely fair as someone pointed out with doing shift work and last minute stuff.
It does appear very generous from the club, I'd be pissed off if I was in the queue.

It’s a difficult one but there are a lot of people who seem to buy a season ticket in order to guarantee their seat for the big games and simply leave it empty for the rest.
Which is unfair as I personally know someone who hasn’t got a season ticket but attended all barring two home games last season including all cup and champions league games and would like a season ticket but has no guarantees of getting one.
I suspect there are thousands of people who would make better use of a season ticket than a lot of the people who currently have them.

 

[Del_Bosque]

In the queue? There’s no real waiting list is there?

There might be people who are on there but turn down tickets as they aren’t in the area they want or have enough spaces together for friends/family.

But my understanding was if you want a ST you will be offered one?

 

[Maly]

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More this mate

 

[Beaker]

In the queue? There’s no real waiting list is there?

There might be people who are on there but turn down tickets as they aren’t in the area they want or have enough spaces together for friends/family.

But my understanding was if you want a ST you will be offered one?

I genuinely don’t know how they work it so I can’t comment. I don’t know why they can’t create a waiting list however if they don’t. Surely cutting out the people who don’t want a season ticket would make things a lot easier?

 

[waspish]

In the queue? There’s no real waiting list is there?

There might be people who are on there but turn down tickets as they aren’t in the area they want or have enough spaces together for friends/family.

But my understanding was if you want a ST you will be offered one?

When will new Season Tickets go on sale? | Man City Help Centre

www.mancity.com

 

[jrb]

Your point is true but, we don’t live in a vacuum… ADUG only have so much money to invest and they are no fools - if they can invest £300m and get a return in 7 years or invest the same and get it back in 25 - which will they chose. In all organisations there is competition for funds - so the City Board will make a case that secures the investment - and that’ll include a timeframe for a realistic return on the investment.

There has never been a cost/s attached to expanding the North Stand as no plans or designs have ever been made public. But there have been some wild and fanciful costs posted on here in my opinion.

Liverpool’s main (side) stand expansion that created an additional 8,500 seats cost £110mill.

The Anfield Road (behind the goal) expansion is costing £80mill and will add 7000 seats, bringing Anfield’s capacity to 61,000.

That is due to “changes to the design and the increase in the bill for construction,” raising FSG’s investment – which has come partly in loans to the club and an expansion of its credit facility – to around £250 million.

Liverpool add £20m to cost of Anfield Road expansion

FSG's off-field investment is over £250 million.

www.thisisanfield.com

Fast forward to 1:45 to bypass the Scouse guff.

 

[jrb]

Going off the Anfield Road expansion and cost above, a worst case scenario of expanding the North stand by 10,000, making the Etihad, 63,000, which has always been the final expansion capacity figure, give or take, would cost £100mill-£125mill, depending on how complex and ambitious any North Stand expansion design is.

 

[HelloCity]

The original designs made public for the North Stand were for a copy of the South Stand.

However, when the fan survey was done in late 2018 the fans who attended an engagement session were shown a design which featured an expanded 2nd tier. This later design also seemed to appear on the fan survey.



There were also several fan mock ups of this 2nd tier expansion.





Obviously a single tier would be the most ideal solution but an expanded 2nd tier would allow the club to keep the current stand open for the whole season as they built behind it like they did with the South Stand. Have to say if they went with just a copy of the South Stand then that would be really disappointing.

 

[jrb]

I don’t think this has been posted yet? Could wrong as the thread has been going years.

More info via the link.

Creating the Etihad Model

This model was commissioned in March 2016 and completed in early February 2018. It took an estimated 2000 man hours to research and build during this period. The client and I had met previously and over the course of this commission become good friends.

In 2015 the Etihad stadium had just been expanded, adding a third level to the south stand, taking the capacity from 47,400 to 55,097. The brief for this commission after much consultation was to look to the future and incorporate the addition of the proposed third level to the north stand as well, taking the capacity to 61,000. So this model would be a glimpse into the stadiums future.

Etihad stadium | Model Stadiums

www.modelfootballstadiums.com

 

[Tim of the Oak]

The original designs made public for the North Stand were for a copy of the South Stand.

However, when the fan survey was done in late 2018 the fans who attended an engagement session were shown a design which featured an expanded 2nd tier. This later design also seemed to appear on the fan survey.

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There were also several fan mock ups of this 2nd tier expansion.

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Obviously a single tier would be the most ideal solution but an expanded 2nd tier would allow the club to keep the current stand open for the whole season as they built behind it like they did with the South Stand. Have to say if they went with just a copy of the South Stand then that would be really disappointing.

FWIW the expanded 2nd tier is my preferred option. As well as keeping NS Level 1 open during the expansion, we could mirror the Safe Standing of South Stand Level 1 and keep a degree of symmetry to the design (that might help with the engineering / build).

There would still be an issue with the location of family specific blocks / fans but some of the families with older kids might be happy in Level 1.

If we are reliant on a single tier stand to generate atmosphere we might as well call it a day or revert to piped in noise.

 

[nmc]

FWIW the expanded 2nd tier is my preferred option. As well as keeping NS Level 1 open during the expansion, we could mirror the Safe Standing of South Stand Level 1 and keep a degree of symmetry to the design (that might help with the engineering / build).

There would still be an issue with the location of family specific blocks / fans but some of the families with older kids might be happy in Level 1.

If we are reliant on a single tier stand to generate atmosphere we might as well call it a day or revert to piped in noise.

I agree - after Maine Road and it’s botched development the symmetry of the Etihad is a thing of beauty that we should preserve. Two tier North Stand looks fine to me - just hope we sort those bloody corners out sometime they look awful.

 

[HelloCity]

I agree - after Maine Road and it’s botched development the symmetry of the Etihad is a thing of beauty that we should preserve. Two tier North Stand looks fine to me - just hope we sort those bloody corners out sometime they look awful.

They were supposed to be covered up by big screens but guessing the plan is to move the North Stand screens to the South Stand when they do up the North.

 

[Brewster's millions]

I agree - after Maine Road and it’s botched development the symmetry of the Etihad is a thing of beauty that we should preserve. Two tier North Stand looks fine to me - just hope we sort those bloody corners out sometime they look awful.

The corners are very shabby and the lack of big screens also leaves the South Stand looking unfinished - it’s hard to understand why City haven’t addressed this given the amount of money invested in the South Stand.

Agree on the value of the symmetry of the stadium but think there would possibly be quite a big difference versus the South stand if they went for two versus three tiers when expanding the North Stand. I’m not an engineer by any means, but think the pitch of the terrace could be quite different in the two tier option approach and require a deeper stand. Ultimately the view could be worse than in the South Stand, but I suppose if they are flogging a lot of season tickets at 350-400 quid to watch the best team in the country then we can’t have any complaints.

 

[gouldybob]

The reason for the big second tier being considered a goer was said to be because of a lack of demand for another corporate offering as in the South Stand. Though I do like the big second tier solution. Better than the Millennium Stadium version

 

[JOGAMIGMOG]

Gool luck making the economics work on that - how long will it take to pay off for the cost of the stand ?

Doesn’t matter, we have loads of money.

 

[Oyster28catcher]

supply and demand

surely now is the time?! Make those CL nights look a bit more spacious

 

[nmc]

The reason for the big second tier being considered a goer was said to be because of a lack of demand for another corporate offering as in the South Stand. Though I do like the big second tier solution. Better than the Millennium Stadium version
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That stand at the Principality stadium - is awful but it was an engineering compromise - that side of the stadium is adjacent to the Cardiff Rugby ground and there’s effectively two stands back to back… the lottery wouldn’t pay for the demolition and rebuilding of a standard for CardiffBlues so that structure had to remain and be incorporated into the new stadium… ironically it’s no thought to have concrete cancer and will need to be upgraded !