Europe's "Major" teams want automatic Champions League qualification

[Benarbia_is_god]

This isn't really comparable to the formation of the Premiership, the Premier League was really just a rebrand of the first division. Also haven't a similar amount of teams played in the Premiership in the 24 years since it's formation compared to the number of teams that played in the first division in the 24 years prior to 1992?

 

[The perfect fumble]

Given there proposal it would stop other clubs creating/ becoming the money making brands thease other clubs are.
success breads fans, breads money,

Liverpool was once as big a club as any other team before they had a winning streak as was most if the so called elete clubs / rags built there empire on a disaster. None of them was created famous with world wide adulation..

Given time and a good wining streak Oldham could become the Liverpool /rags of. England if you threw in a disaster here and there and some corrupt board members
The opertunity /dream should not be denide to any team to make a play for the very top.

God forbid if this should happen then what what would be the point in antithetical team even turning up if a weekend to play a match if ultimately there progress had a cut of point before they could reach the top..

Not having a rant at you btw, just using your very true statement on how the Powers that be will be thinking to fuel my objections

Latter stage capitalism always does this, without legislation and left to their own devices, cosy cartels and monopolies act together to stifle competition and secure their market dominance to the detriment of the consumer. Once footy went global and the revenue started flooding in, the money men really took over, there is an inevitability to their actions, throw in weak and corrupt legislative bodies and it is easy to understand the direction of travel.

Often, as in the case of football, but it is also true of other industries such as banking and the media, the bodies set up to police these industries is not just weak and corrupt, but is effectively "taken over" by its most powerful members and acts to further their interests over that of its weaker members.

 

[City_Sean]

This whole idea sums up everything that is wrong with football, former elite clubs who still believe they belong at the top of the game.

 

[Newman Noggs]

Latter stage capitalism always does this, without legislation and left to their own devices, cosy cartels and monopolies act together to stifle competition and secure their market dominance to the detriment of the consumer. Once footy went global and the revenue started flooding in, the money men really took over, there is an inevitability to their actions, throw in weak and corrupt legislative bodies and it is easy to understand the direction of travel.

It is. The question is whether the product is the competition or the show (like Wrestling). It's possible that, not for the first or last time, the money men are misjudging where the value of the product lies.

 

[The perfect fumble]

It is. The question is whether the product is the competition or the show (like Wrestling). It's possible that, not for the first or last time, the money men are misjudging where the value of the product lies.

True, there can come a point where the actions of these cosy cartels denudes the product or service to such an extent that they are taken by surprise by developments elsewhere, but if this were to happen it would probably be to another sport, such as basketball, that might eat away at their share of the sports market. The threat would have to come from outside footy because football is not only a cosy cartel run by the powerful for the powerful but it also stifles promising upstarts by dictating the terms of entry in to the market.

There is another threat for the money men. All forms of sport "entertainment" have their day. Football by turning supporters in to consumers thinks that this is the road to easy revenue and in the short term it probably is, but consumers are more fickle than supporters, we're beginning to see that at the Etihad, The powers that be in football assume that their global dominance is such that becoming nothing more than another branch of the leisure industry, like eating out and shopping, holds no fear for them.

We will see.

 

[bluebanjo]

The only change I would like to see is that to qualify your country must be a part of Europe not as a political entity but geographically

 

[andyhinch]

The only change I would like to see is that to qualify your country must be a part of Europe not as a political entity but geographically

So teams in western turkey will qualify but not eastern ?

 

[gh_mcfc]

If anyone thinks this isn`t another direct attack on us (and anyone else who has the balls and wherewithall to have a proper go at it) they are deluded.

We well an truely kicked over their apple cart and they also know the money coming into the EPL will mean the better players go to mid table teams in England rather than italy.
The Italians fecked up and took success for granted and the English entitled ones were too arrogant to take us seriously at first and then tried to fight us rather than match us. As for Germany if Bayern went so greedy maybe they would have competitive league which could attract some global sponsors.

Will we get invited in ? no chance Do we really want to be invited in to a farcical "competition" . I dont , I`d rather say feck off, but will the owners. This could mean all the money he has spent in building us means the return on his investment will be severely diminished. I am not just talking in terms of City related finance but the derived benefits to Abu Dhabi and the related businesses.

However thats the doom and gloom. What about the flip side.

No FFP to worry about and money talks.. How ironic would it be to set up a league accessed by league qualification (declare your intention at the start of the season) supported by a few "related parties" with shed load of cash for competing and winning and the use of video technolgy - Market it as Fair with any racists etc.. kicked out straight away. Top players will follow the cash. Bar a few they always do. Only Real and Barca would have a chance to compete on non financial grounds they wont care if the dont get to pay against the Rags or Chelsea or ermm.. Lyon. Let the G14 have their crap league. We could potentially be in a league still packed with superstars playing for clubs who dont feel entitled. Feck em I say. It just takes a bit of vision a bit of balls and a lot of cash. Call the Feckers bluff on it and start the ball rolling now. Lets see what happens, the G14 muppets run by the business Giants of KHR and Gill in the guise of UEFA or the World CL run by government backed business geniuses from China and the middle east. I know who my fiver would be on.

I wonder whos camp real madrid will be in. Do they want their stadium upgrade financing. I wonder where some the smaller G14 clubs would jump big cash pot or Bigger Cash Pot. Leave the entitled Cnuts stranded. See how much sponsorship they can make them. Feck em all. oh and tell the rags, bayern and liverpool they will never ever be welcome

Rant over

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Can't see Rummenigge wanting City in the " Only Big Clubs Need Apply Cup ", let's face it we're finished !

I suspect it's not Bayern behind this, as their place is pretty secure.

As for who is in or out, I suspect the £ is the only thing that really matters, not the club identity. It's to ensure that giants don't miss out and harm the brand ((c)Scudamore). There will doubtless be preferred options, but Germany has 11 ECA members (I think), England 9, Spain 8 or 9 - I think a lot would be against the idea.

 

[Maldeika]

As for Germany if Bayern went so greedy maybe they would have competitive league which could attract some global sponsors.

The Bundesliga's success does not have to do with a competitive league - else you should ask why a league that was much more a one-horse-league in former years like the EPL has been that attractive? And I do not know why you call Bayern greedy - the Bundesliga shares TV money pretty evenly, yes, it is success related, but the first gets only the double of that what the last gets.

The Bundesliga just does not have the "natural" oversea markets like La Liga with South America or has remarked too late that you can make a lot money in new markets in Asia like the EPL did. And do not forget that the Bundesliga and especially Bayern was not very strong internationally in the first ten years of this century. It is easier to get into new markets like e.g. China than into markets that already are taken like the rest of Asia. The people already have their favourite teams.

It maybe is a little like with City e.g. in Asia - you might attract some new fans but you do not turn around the Arsenal or United fan. You win them mainly with success and hope that they get attached with something else of the clubs (players etc.) so much that they stay even in times when other teams are more successful.

I suspect it's not Bayern behind this, as their place is pretty secure.

As for who is in or out, I suspect the £ is the only thing that really matters, not the club identity. It's to ensure that giants don't miss out and harm the brand ((c)Scudamore). There will doubtless be preferred options, but Germany has 11 ECA members (I think), England 9, Spain 8 or 9 - I think a lot would be against the idea.

Why should Bayern be behind this? Rummenigge just is the president who speaks for all of the other clubs (and do not forget that City is one of this clubs with more and more influence). I think there is some big italian and english clubs that are more interested...