Everton v City post match

markbmcfc said:
Damo put this on twitter for different reasons but it's a good clip to use to explain how close we are and what we're doing wrong.


Our use of Bravo and passing side to side and back to the GK draws Everton out. Pause the video at 02:28 game time. When Clichy gets the ball we've used Everton's press to create a situation where they have seven players focused to one area of the pitch. Clichy chooses the wrong option and passes to Sterling, who has no 'out' ball. He doesn't have a single option, and we concede a throw. If, Clichy is thinking quick enough (the biggest problem we have with fullbacks) he can choose a little pass to KDB to run onto, a pass into Yaya or a pass to Zabba. If he chooses the KdB or Yaya option, pause the video again at 02:31 when Silva comes into Picture. Forget where Sterling is now, as he wouldn't be there unless Clichy had passed to him, but look how much space Silva is in and he has a 3 on 3 with Aguero and Sterling.

If Clichy makes that pass to Yaya, Yaya can play first time to Silva and we've completely turned Everton inside out. Instead, he takes the wrong touch, has to then go down the line to a player with no options and the move is over. In fairness to Clichy, the ball back to him from Yaya is poor and he needs a touch, but his touch is poor.

I could be wrong, but this is how I see Pep's vision of how he wants to play, breaking down at the crucial moment because of bad decision making or passing execution.

We're still shit in both boxes, that's a given, but we're not a million miles away with the build up. We created a fantastic situation there and destroyed it ourselves, and it happens multiple times per game.
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Great post from yourself and Damo.

It's all about the players choosing the correct option, and to be fair our fullbacks seem to pick the wrong one quite often.
 
the blue panther said:
Weird isn't it - the pundits have been saying until very recently that we have the best squad and could still win the league.

It starts with the keeper; if the opposition score with virtually every shot on target, time to change. I'm not saying Caballero is the answer, nor Joe Hart necessarily, but, it definitely isn't 'mini-me' Bravo.

If we get stuffed by Spurs similarly to the Everton game - which is very possible - the sh1t will hit the fan.
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That reminds me of Brian Clough :-)
 
markbmcfc said:
Damo put this on twitter for different reasons but it's a good clip to use to explain how close we are and what we're doing wrong.


Our use of Bravo and passing side to side and back to the GK draws Everton out. Pause the video at 02:28 game time. When Clichy gets the ball we've used Everton's press to create a situation where they have seven players focused to one area of the pitch. Clichy chooses the wrong option and passes to Sterling, who has no 'out' ball. He doesn't have a single option, and we concede a throw. If, Clichy is thinking quick enough (the biggest problem we have with fullbacks) he can choose a little pass to KDB to run onto, a pass into Yaya or a pass to Zabba. If he chooses the KdB or Yaya option, pause the video again at 02:31 when Silva comes into Picture. Forget where Sterling is now, as he wouldn't be there unless Clichy had passed to him, but look how much space Silva is in and he has a 3 on 3 with Aguero and Sterling.

If Clichy makes that pass to Yaya, Yaya can play first time to Silva and we've completely turned Everton inside out. Instead, he takes the wrong touch, has to then go down the line to a player with no options and the move is over. In fairness to Clichy, the ball back to him from Yaya is poor and he needs a touch, but his touch is poor.

I could be wrong, but this is how I see Pep's vision of how he wants to play, breaking down at the crucial moment because of bad decision making or passing execution.

We're still shit in both boxes, that's a given, but we're not a million miles away with the build up. We created a fantastic situation there and destroyed it ourselves, and it happens multiple times per game.
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That clip does sum up the good and bad. We retain possession instead of hoofing it away, as Hart probably would have done. The concept is to draw the Everton press further forward and create space behind that front group. We then beat the press but Yaya turns backwards, instead of moving the ball forward, and puts the ball in front of the high press with all Everton players behind the ball without them needing to do anything to achieve that.

So we start from scratch again and end up giving away a throw. You could just as well argue that it would have been better for Bravo to hoof the ball straight out of play so we could press Everton higher up the pitch, which is a tactic Leicester used against us last season at the Etihad. Schmeichel kept hoofing the ball into touch, which had people laughing at him, but that was a deliberate move so they could regroup, relieve the pressure on them and move their defensive press higher up the pitch.

We should all know what Pep is looking to do but possession per se is not the issue; doing something with that possession is. And the whole crux of the Pep philosophy is that, when you lose possession, you get it back quickly or you get into defensive shape in front of the opposition. At the moment we're:
  • Doing nothing threatening in the last third when in possession.
  • Not winning the ball back in the first few seconds after we lose it.
  • Failing to form an effective defensive cordon when we fail to retrieve the ball.
Those are the problems.
 
Don't know if it's been said but from the WHU game to yesterday that was a 9 goal spread from really good to really bad. I'm not blaming Claudio Clownio in isolation but I think he makes the back 4 nervous. In contrast Cabellero is built like a brick shit house and commands his area much better. I can't think of a worse player to wear a City shirt in the Premiership than Clownio, he is fucking shite, probably made around 2 or 3 decent saves all season, absolute bobbins.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
That clip does sum up the good and bad. We retain possession instead of hoofing it away, as Hart probably would have done. The concept is to draw the Everton press further forward and create space behind that front group. We then beat the press but Yaya turns backwards, instead of moving the ball forward, and puts the ball in front of the high press with all Everton players behind the ball without them needing to do anything to achieve that.

So we start from scratch again and end up giving away a throw. You could just as well argue that it would have been better for Bravo to hoof the ball straight out of play so we could press Everton higher up the pitch, which is a tactic Leicester used against us last season at the Etihad. Schmeichel kept hoofing the ball into touch, which had people laughing at him, but that was a deliberate move so they could regroup, relieve the pressure on them and move their defensive press higher up the pitch.

We should all know what Pep is looking to do but possession per se is not the issue; doing something with that possession is. And the whole crux of the Pep philosophy is that, when you lose possession, you get it back quickly or you get into defensive shape in front of the opposition. At the moment we're:
  • Doing nothing threatening in the last third when in possession.
  • Not winning the ball back in the first few seconds after we lose it.
  • Failing to form an effective defensive cordon when we fail to retrieve the ball.
Those are the problems.
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I noticed that last season. It was clearly a tactic, no professional would kick it out so many times in one game, however it was not picked up on MOTD

At the moment we look like one of those Eastern European teams that Arsenal and United used to hammer in CL group stages. Nice, neat and tidy football but with no cutting edge and when the crosses and pressure starts, we collapse
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
That clip does sum up the good and bad. We retain possession instead of hoofing it away, as Hart probably would have done. The concept is to draw the Everton press further forward and create space behind that front group. We then beat the press but Yaya turns backwards, instead of moving the ball forward, and puts the ball in front of the high press with all Everton players behind the ball without them needing to do anything to achieve that.

So we start from scratch again and end up giving away a throw. You could just as well argue that it would have been better for Bravo to hoof the ball straight out of play so we could press Everton higher up the pitch, which is a tactic Leicester used against us last season at the Etihad. Schmeichel kept hoofing the ball into touch, which had people laughing at him, but that was a deliberate move so they could regroup, relieve the pressure on them and move their defensive press higher up the pitch.

We should all know what Pep is looking to do but possession per se is not the issue; doing something with that possession is. And the whole crux of the Pep philosophy is that, when you lose possession, you get it back quickly or you get into defensive shape in front of the opposition. At the moment we're:
  • Doing nothing threatening in the last third when in possession.
  • Not winning the ball back in the first few seconds after we lose it.
  • Failing to form an effective defensive cordon when we fail to retrieve the ball.
Those are the problems.
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I noticed that last season. It was clearly a tactic, no professional would kick it out so many times in one game, however it was not picked up on MOTD

At the moment we look like one of those Eastern European teams that Arsenal and United used to hammer in CL group stages. Nice, neat and tidy football but with no cutting edge and when the crosses and pressure starts, we collapse
 
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