Everton v City post match

A lot of us thought that last season, but the buggers are still here. Hart Nasri and Managala went when it should have been Kolarov, Otamendi, Clichy and Toure

I'd think the old guard are sticking together in training, which stops the kids coming through.

Yaya being let back in while being a short term fix will only reinforce this.

I'd imagine Pep's been told to make do until the end of the season and is none too happy about it.

Mancini wanted Hart gone too and was planning to bring in Begovic, which was one of a number of factors which led to a revolt by the players who had won the title the season before. Silva had a word to the management at the time as I recall when the split got too great.

Mangala never looked like he got on with the old guard - hence Hart swearing at him on the pitch.

Nasri spent the summer getting fat and hanging around with rappers when he had been out injured for 6 months.

Kompany seems the only guy who keeps everyone in check.

If you've won the league before it's the easiest thing to blame the new guy.
 
Sign some better players who know how to get results in this fucking league.
And for gods sake get Joe Hart back.
Stop trying to be Barca unless we have Messi and Iniesta. We aren't fucking good enough.
 
Fans aren't managers because we're irrational, over reactive, and seldom can see the bigger picture. We beat West Ham and everyone is in love with Zaba's rebirth as a CM and crying for the same tactics in the next match. Then we get thumped by Everton and how could the manager not see that the midfield was too old and why couldn't he change shape to combat them? We aren't good at this and we won't be. I am struggling to cope with Bravo as much as many of you and maybe the manager will need to make a call there, but appeals to what a fan would do in this situation are not going to produce much in the way of a sensible approach to anything. It would be overreactive and incoherent. And even then fans label you the tinkerman and go bananas that if the manager would just play a settled XI everything would be different.

Just look at the increase in quality in all of the managers who have left us and all of the players who have left us. Whenever a player is injured, he improves massively in the eyes of our fans. Now, if we just had Joe, Nasri, and Mangala, everything would be different! Forget that we suffered from all of the same problems last season with those players and that plenty of fans had problems with each of those players in different ways.

It's really, really hard to take a long view after a day like today. But we won't get anywhere as a club overreacting to today either. It is not an exaggeration to say that Pep could lose every match for the rest of the season and he'd still be the most successful manager in world football. As fans, we need to back him, even during a tough spell. This season clearly doesn't seem like it's going to produce what we would have wanted but there's nobody I'd rather have turning the squad over. I keep coming back to this point. The core group here essentially quit on everyone's re-favorite, Mancini. Dressing room unrest, absolutely dire performances that everyone conveniently forgets. We sacked him, brought in Pellegrini. The same exact thing happens. Now, we go and get the undisputed best manager in the game and he suffers the same problems with largely the same group. Can we maybe put to rest the idea that the Managers were the problem? If anything, I have a lot more respect for both Roberto and Pellegrini today because I feel like this season is proving that there really wasn't much they could have done.
Wonderful post—breath of fresh air.
 
Just got in so a few brief points
  • As it is clear that our players do not have the ability to play the way Pep wants them to, it is up to Pep to devise a system which they can play
  • Too many players do not look as if they knew where they were supposed to be which surprises me as I've heard so many ex Pep players say that this is one area of coaching he excels at
  • Our defence is a shambles but what can we expect when there is no comments so stench in team selection
  • Aguero can only play on his own up top when he is on a good run of form, otherwise he is too deep and ineffective
  • Bravo needs time away from the team to build his confidence do force him to play for his place - same as Joe did last season
  • Otamendi's theatrics are cringe worthy
  • The change of formation following the substitution actually made us worse, we were all over their midfield first half then complete exposed after the substitution
On a more positive note
  • Sterling was excellent
  • KDB had a great first half
  • The carpet in the directors box seating at goodison is an effective barrier against the cold toes suffered when otherwise feet are directly above concrete
  • The chocolate torte dessert was divine and I'm not usually a fan of it
 
Sold! How much do you want?

Loan us Gunn for a season, and £10m.

Here's the only thing Pickford hasn't been tested on....Focus.
Let me explain, his focus and concentration is immense, he's always in the game, always making decisions.....and that's the gap.

If he came to you, there'd be spells in the game where he wouldn't be involved ...but would need to remain focused.

I remember a talk in with Chris Kirkland a couple of years ago....and he said..."Pickford will play for England, there is no weakness, he is the most complete keeper he has ever seen"....time will tell.
 

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