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Any chance we could show Savinho and Doku the same video!?
Expected Goals. There and back again
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Any chance we could show Savinho and Doku the same video!?
Would be nice! Think we saw some signs of it at the CWC for Doku actually. Ultimately it comes down to coaching decisions, tactics and then quality. It was Arteta who worked one on one with sterling btw for those drills!
This is a direct quote from Pep:
“Always we talk about the statistics – the players today play for the statistics but this is the biggest mistake they can do,” he said.
“We’re involved in that. Statistics are just a bit of information that we have but there are players that make the team play good and they are not into statistics. But the players say how many goals I score or how many assists or…
“With these kinds of situation, they forget everything. Statistics never existed before. It’s how you play today if you perform to your maximum, to your best, help your teammates to make the process defensively and offensively better – it’s enough. Thanks to that we are going to win."
Quote from onefootball.com
And this is from the author of the article:
"Just look at the likes of Liverpool’s Fabinho or Chelsea’s N’Golo Kante – the ‘highlight’ statistics would never come anywhere close to outlining just how valuable they are to their respective teams.
Ultimately, they just don’t tell the full story and it seems Guardiola is fed up with the stats obsessed nature of modern football."
Wow! That's embarrassing. Looks like Pep has turned into a weirdo dinosaur troll who doesn't understand the modern game. Some people might even call him a genuinely stupid person. I wonder if some Bluemoon xG expert should contact him to tell him where he is going wrong.
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You just don't get it do you, that quote doesnt mean what you think it does.
I'll give you a another quote - seen as you have finally worked out how to use them:
On Pep Guardiola
Bayern Munich’s Head Of Analytics Tells Us How Pep Guardiola Has Embraced Stats
At Boston’s annual MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, the main focus is on U.S. sports. But people come from all over the sporting world, and the globe, to …
fivethirtyeight.com
No you don't get it. He left Bayern 10 years ago. He's moved on. Do you think he's a liar?You just don't get it do you, that quote doesnt mean what you think it does.
I'll give you a another quote - seen as you have finally worked out how to use them:
On Pep Guardiola
Bayern Munich’s Head Of Analytics Tells Us How Pep Guardiola Has Embraced Stats
At Boston’s annual MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, the main focus is on U.S. sports. But people come from all over the sporting world, and the globe, to …
He says what he says. When he starts getting City to shoot on sight rather than work good openings 8 yards out directly in front of goal, then he doesn't care about xG.
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Why do you think City spend millions and have a massive team of analysts? Why do you think we have just poached one of Liverpools Main analysts?
Do you think me and @twosips are lying about the presentation we were given inside City Football Academy?
Do you honestly think Pep has gone from thinking Analytics is the most important department at his football club to thinking it irrelevant?
Liverpool won the League last season their Sporting director is an analyst, every diecision they make is based on analytics. They also took Citys Director of football data of us last season. Why do you think this is?
Why do you think City are asking for more First Team analysts?
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For those that are interested in the analytics side, there's a load of good articles here. Covers various topics, and a lot will include xG.
Been aware of the creator of Statsbomb, Ted Knutson, for a long time. He has worked with 'clever' clubs such as Midjtylland, and also made a lot of money gambling. The stuff he covers works. His company was (I think) consultants to Brentford and he's now ended up selling the company for a load of money. Again, it works.
Been aware of the creator of Statsbomb, Ted Knutson, for a long time. He has worked with 'clever' clubs such as Midjtylland, and also made a lot of money gambling. The stuff he covers works. His company was (I think) consultants to Brentford and he's now ended up selling the company for a load of money. Again, it works.
Why do you think Pep said the players today play for the statistics but this is the biggest mistake they can do?
He was talking about goals scoring and assists it was in relation to Bernardo have poor stats. Pep.wss saying they dont matter as Bernardo isn't about goals and assists.
Asian you have ignored all of the questions.
I'll cut it down to one. If Pep doesnt want analysts why are City trying to employ more analysts?
It's quite simple really, it's just another football metric for data analysis of player performances.
Like all metrics, nuance and relative comparisons to other metrics and other players are required, as well as a long time frame to make inferences upon them.
Those against these types of analysis are simply going to be left behind in terms of where football discourse is going, and has been going for the last 5 or so years.
It also contextualizes more abstract things like "he is a bad finisher", or "he is a bad creator".
This doesn't apply to just xG but to all these new metrics, numbers are not inherently bad, its how you interpret them, and football has been far behind other sports in terms of this ability to analyze and interpret player performances.
xG
In particular to xG, it also requires nuance, for example, 2 teams can rack up an xG of 2.5 in a game, but maybe one team did it through 25 shots, and the other team through 10, that is useful to then infer, the team with 10 probably had higher quality chances, whereas the other team was making more speculative efforts, that increased the xG stat, most would much prefer the scenario of the team with 10 shots.
For players, its useful over a long time frame, to see how good their xG compares to their actual goals, it leads to certain conclusions that can also backup the eye test such as "Darwin Nunes is a shit finisher, or the xG to G numbers clearly show this", you can even see stats that break down xG/shot to see if players are just getting alot of shit chances, or lower but higher quality chances, its useful.
xA and SCA
I like these 2 for chance creation, xA doesn't need to be compared to assists, unlike xG, because its irrelevant whether the player you passed to scored the chance, that's not something the passing player can control.
SCA is simply how many times a game you make your team shoot (make some chance), I really like this one as well because some players don't rank super high on xA but rank high on SCA (David Silva is one who was the king at this).
Be careful with SCA though, as some players who take the set pieces for a team will artifically be higher on this, luckily this stat can be broken down to "live ball" for a more accurate comparison.
Like all metrics, nuance and relative comparisons to other metrics and other players are required, as well as a long time frame to make inferences upon them.
Those against these types of analysis are simply going to be left behind in terms of where football discourse is going, and has been going for the last 5 or so years.
It also contextualizes more abstract things like "he is a bad finisher", or "he is a bad creator".
This doesn't apply to just xG but to all these new metrics, numbers are not inherently bad, its how you interpret them, and football has been far behind other sports in terms of this ability to analyze and interpret player performances.
xG
In particular to xG, it also requires nuance, for example, 2 teams can rack up an xG of 2.5 in a game, but maybe one team did it through 25 shots, and the other team through 10, that is useful to then infer, the team with 10 probably had higher quality chances, whereas the other team was making more speculative efforts, that increased the xG stat, most would much prefer the scenario of the team with 10 shots.
For players, its useful over a long time frame, to see how good their xG compares to their actual goals, it leads to certain conclusions that can also backup the eye test such as "Darwin Nunes is a shit finisher, or the xG to G numbers clearly show this", you can even see stats that break down xG/shot to see if players are just getting alot of shit chances, or lower but higher quality chances, its useful.
xA and SCA
I like these 2 for chance creation, xA doesn't need to be compared to assists, unlike xG, because its irrelevant whether the player you passed to scored the chance, that's not something the passing player can control.
SCA is simply how many times a game you make your team shoot (make some chance), I really like this one as well because some players don't rank super high on xA but rank high on SCA (David Silva is one who was the king at this).
Be careful with SCA though, as some players who take the set pieces for a team will artifically be higher on this, luckily this stat can be broken down to "live ball" for a more accurate comparison.
Lol autocorrect 'As you', but I think you knew that already and were avoiding the question again.
Shall we try again - If Pep doesnt want analysts why are City trying to employ more analysts?
Your still struggling with the quote button - just click reply on the response you want to quote.
dronefromsector7G
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Expected glikes?
Betterdeedthan red
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Absolutely pointless wank
Again you have ignored the question and still cant use that quote button. If following simple instruction is difficult for you I can see why you struggle with analytics.