Exposing the hypocrisy of journalists

Steadfast said:
Frankly you are both acting like school children in my humble opinion. Andy this Andy that. Well what about you teasing City fans on here suggesting that WhatsApp messages may be all revealing. You know what youre both a pair of arses and I'm ashamed that you are associated with my club I always considered City fans to be a bit more together and all for one. All you two have done is driven a wedge and created uncertainty. Man up and apologise to Rabin Andy. Prove that messages and videos have been deleted then just get out of dodge for fucks sake. No one is interested in your video bull about this incident. And as for you BobSmiles I suggest you delete messages, never mention them again like youre some kind of big man on moral ground and go back to your playground and try and find some new, non City mates. Jesus this club is being attacked from all sides externally, now you two decided that in-fighting was the best course of action causing our only non club related defence to go into hiding. Someone who really appeared to have the scum on the ropes. Pathetic the pair of you.
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Bob Smiles said:
There are plenty of arses, and worse, amongst City fans. We all know that. Thanks for your opinion.
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See that's where you're wrong. Most blues I know are well meaning, considerate and wholly supportive of the club. That fact that you consider there are plenty of arses amongst us just shows you for what you really are, Some Billy big boots, look at me arent I better than you with my big old secrets about WhatsApp messages. Well no..... no you're not. You're just one of the pair that fucked up our chances of Rabin making more of a difference for us. Dont know how you manage to show your face on here really.
 
Bob Smiles said:
I’m not sure whether I could/should release private messages. I’m sure people already have an opinion on what hew did. The messages make interesting reading.
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Tbh mate the only thing that made interesting reading was rabins tweets which have sadly stopped due to a pair of dicks trying to hijack things to increase clicks on their shite Internet TV channel.
 
Steadfast said:
Frankly you are both acting like school children in my humble opinion. Andy this Andy that. Well what about you teasing City fans on here suggesting that WhatsApp messages may be all revealing. You know what youre both a pair of arses and I'm ashamed that you are associated with my club I always considered City fans to be a bit more together and all for one. All you two have done is driven a wedge and created uncertainty. Man up and apologise to Rabin Andy. Prove that messages and videos have been deleted then just get out of dodge for fucks sake. No one is interested in your video bull about this incident. And as for you BobSmiles I suggest you delete messages, never mention them again like youre some kind of big man on moral ground and go back to your playground and try and find some new, non City mates. Jesus this club is being attacked from all sides externally, now you two decided that in-fighting was the best course of action causing our only non club related defence to go into hiding. Someone who really appeared to have the scum on the ropes. Pathetic the pair of you.
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Great post, deserves more than just a like.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Tbh mate the only thing that made interesting reading was rabins tweets which have sadly stopped due to a pair of dicks trying to hijack things to increase clicks on their shite Internet TV channel.
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Whatever you may think of Ray, surely it's only one dick (and not a pair of them) that has slammed the brakes on Rabin's tweets?

Ray clearly wasn't impressed with the approach that Andy took and cut ties with him immediately, so I'm not sure why people are blaming him for what happened with Rabin.

That said, I think Man City Fan TV is a big steaming pile of cringeworthy shite and always have done. I just don't get why people are having a go at Ray when he clearly disagrees with what Andy did.
 
Bob Smiles said:
Some of you already know that I’m Ray (ex Man City Fan TV).
I’m not here to answer any questions. There’s plenty out there in the public domain for you to look at for yourselves.
It was interesting reading over 300 comments last night catching up on people’s thoughts.
It’s concerning that some people want to simply make things up here and on twitter and get involved with idle gossip, some of which can lead to dangerous situations. Does that make them much better than Nick Harris??? (Ok, no-one can be as bad as him, but surely you get my point). Because they are blues and you may know them, does that make it alright? Plenty of misinformed people commenting here and, as I said before, it can lead to dangerous situations.
I wasn’t involved at all with the Skype call. Rabin has told other people that himself and Andy also said so last night on his video. Nick Harris was talking out of his backside when he said Andy had DM’d him the video as can be seen by his subsequent deletion of his own tweets. Even Andy wouldn’t have been that stupid to have sent the video to Nick Harris as he’d have been more of a marked man than he currently is, with some blues threatening to fill him in. Good luck with that.
For all of you that took pot shots at the channel (and quite a few after never having watched any videos) or pot shots at the way people look or sound etc.), it’s an interesting stat that, at one point when videos were being posted on these very pages, I believe that the largest external % of views were being generated via this forum. So lots of you were watching the videos. And quite regularly too.
The channel has 8,500 subscribers and only lost 30 subscribers in the last 24 hours. So quite a few people are still happy to continue with the channel. There’s 8.5k people happy enough to be represented by Andy and Man City Fan TV. Are you dissing all 8.5k of those City fans?
People may want to ask me why I left the channel so suddenly after Rabin’s tweets or for any other ‘juicy’ information but I’m not for spilling any beans. I’ve said the two people involved can say what’s happened if they want to as long as it’s truthful.
I’m sure you’ll never get the full facts about what happened since I don’t know them myself (I wasn’t party to their private messaging before and after the Skype call) and each party could be seen to have too much to lose.
But don’t be like Nick Harris and the other media hacks in looking to attack the messenger because you have an agenda or you think it’s fun to join in. It’s far better for blues to be honest and stick together and hit back at the hacks rather than at each other.
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Oh! Your actions seem to have deviated from your first post.
Funny world.
 
Dubai Blue said:
Whatever you may think of Ray, surely it's only one dick (and not a pair of them) that has slammed the brakes on Rabin's tweets?

Ray clearly wasn't impressed with the approach that Andy took and cut ties with him immediately, so I'm not sure why people are blaming him for what happened with Rabin.

That said, I think Man City Fan TV is a big steaming pile of cringeworthy shite and always have done. I just don't get why people are having a go at Ray when he clearly disagrees with what Andy did.
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I think you will find that the first line of your last paragraph more or less contradicts the rest of your post.

Problem is here,he (Ray) has tried to come on here and defend himself,although he claims it had fuck all to do with him,so why ?,and in most responses has been told to fuck off in a polite way by more than 1 or 2 posters,certainly a game of good cop bad cop here,and dare I suggest a bit of a publicity stunt thrown in as well
 
Bob Smiles said:
I walked away within about 30 minutes of reading Rabin’s tweets. I have not spoken to Andy since, save a very brief WhatsApp message. I don’t know if he regrets any of this. Sometimes people only regret the fallout. Now, if only he’d agree to the release of all our WhatsApp messages since he told me he was going to Skype with Rabin...
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Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but there's a lot of obfuscation floating about (messages? Of benefit to whom?). Nothing I can add as others have responded emphatically.

In the meantime, we've lost an effective online presence. The club can, to some extent, supervise the mainstream media but social media is a different Frankenstein altogether; it's like the f***in Wild West. Doubt the club has the resources (or the inclination) to patrol every seething crevice of that arena. So it's heartening when a fan ambles along and lays waste to the lies. So was Rabin just a fan or in the club's employ? Dunno, meself but either way he was pushing back. City needs that right now, not another vlog (no offence intended).

Sadly I don't expect Rabin to return, not if there exists the possibility of an undeleted video waiting to be used against him.
 
meeesh said:
I think you will find that the first line of your last paragraph more or less contradicts the rest of your post.

Problem is here,he (Ray) has tried to come on here and defend himself,although he claims it had fuck all to do with him,so why ?,and in most responses has been told to fuck off in a polite way by more than 1 or 2 posters,certainly a game of good cop bad cop here,and dare I suggest a bit of a publicity stunt thrown in as well
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He's probably trying to defend himself cos plenty of people on here are blaming him for what happened. The poster I quoted for one, and there are several others.

I'm taking him on face value that he genuinely had fuck all to do with it. His immediate reaction (and follow-up comments on here about Andy) certainly suggest he wasn't impressed. Maybe he should have just left it at that, but then people have continued blaming him so I can see why he's felt the need to defend himself. I still think his channel was shite, mind.
 
Dubai Blue said:
He's probably trying to defend himself cos plenty of people on here are blaming him for what happened. The poster I quoted for one, and there are several others.

I'm taking him on face value that he genuinely had fuck all to do with it. His immediate reaction (and follow-up comments on here about Andy) certainly suggest he wasn't impressed. Maybe he should have just left it at that, but then people have continued blaming him so I can see why he's felt the need to defend himself. I still think his channel was shite, mind.
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It is a very strange situation I agree,but this Andy fella has explained more than once on the channel as to what happened,and although I don't know either of them,he seems to be honest in his explanation,so he has to be taken at face value as equally.

And also it was Ray who came on here first to "defend" himself,that is when the grief started,they should both have taken a break for a few weeks I think,but no,what does he do,goes and sets up a rival / another channel,it's fucking comical really,maybe they could apply to see if there are any jobs at Talksport,they would fit in well on there with all the shite being spoken :)
 
Dubai Blue said:
Whatever you may think of Ray, surely it's only one dick (and not a pair of them) that has slammed the brakes on Rabin's tweets?

Ray clearly wasn't impressed with the approach that Andy took and cut ties with him immediately, so I'm not sure why people are blaming him for what happened with Rabin.

That said, I think Man City Fan TV is a big steaming pile of cringeworthy shite and always have done. I just don't get why people are having a go at Ray when he clearly disagrees with what Andy did.
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No axe to grind with Ray, but if Marks & Spencer had shitty shops and it was all just Mr Spencers fault, I'd just say M&S were ****s. Same with shitty tv, I don't care who's idea it is, all I know is they fucked the Rabin thing up.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
No axe to grind with Ray, but if Marks & Spencer had shitty shops and it was all just Mr Spencers fault, I'd just say M&S were ****s. Same with shitty tv, I don't care who's idea it is, all I know is they fucked the Rabin thing up.
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More like David v Goliath can't last forever.

Why are we navel-gazing all the time (dissecting MancityFanTV and Rabin etc) when our club is being smeared by all and sundry? It's too much for one City fan, but if thousands of City fans started to respond, then it would not be an issue. Rabin must have put a lot of personal resources into his efforts and it is unfair of City's fan-base to leave one of their own out on a limb.
 
Marvin said:
More like David v Goliath can't last forever.

Why are we navel-gazing all the time (dissecting MancityFanTV and Rabin etc) when our club is being smeared by all and sundry? It's too much for one City fan, but if thousands of City fans started to respond, then it would not be an issue. Rabin must have put a lot of personal resources into his efforts and it is unfair of City's fan-base to leave one of their own out on a limb.
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Sort of agree, but if we have a seething mass of half-informed fans fighting the good fight on twitter we are just like the dippers imho. I actually think a few very informed voices like Rabin and Prestwich Blue who seem to have a professional level understanding of the financial and legal facts are more effective. Sadly, both these voices seem to have been to some extent hounded and silenced by blues rather than MSM.
 
Marvin said:
More like David v Goliath can't last forever.

Why are we navel-gazing all the time (dissecting MancityFanTV and Rabin etc) when our club is being smeared by all and sundry? It's too much for one City fan, but if thousands of City fans started to respond, then it would not be an issue. Rabin must have put a lot of personal resources into his efforts and it is unfair of City's fan-base to leave one of their own out on a limb.
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City fans are responding, they are going after hacks on Twitter. Fuck even one blue got in the press box at Wembley, the journalists now use the term that our Abu Dhabi slave masters have ‘weaponised’ our fan base. I wonder what the angle will be if this UEFA investigation is thrown out? It will kill the UK press having to back track on that one.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
City fans are responding, they are going after hacks on Twitter. Fuck even one blue got in the press box at Wembley, the journalists now use the term that our Abu Dhabi slave masters have ‘weaponised’ our fan base. I wonder what the angle will be if this UEFA investigation is thrown out? It will kill the UK press having to back track on that one.
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The first part is the bit that we can do something about.

Whether the City fans fighting back are getting their facts right is the important thing.
No point fighting back if the logic applied is wrong. It just allows them to claim that City fans don't understand and are defending at any cost, and the weaponising comment is obviously designed to be pejorative. It is the media that have done the weaponising, and currently it is very unfocussed.

For example, it's been claimed that City fans are now defending UAE policy in Yemen, It's probable that some posts on twitter sometimes can be interpreted that way. However, I have yet to see anyone who openly supports that policy, and really hope that no City fan is in favour of causing starvation anywhere.

The most I've seen are comments that the UAE policy is their own affair, that fans can't actually affect UAE policy (as we apparently have no fans, how many would be at a protest anyway!) and a lot of irritation at the claims that McKenna started (I think, and others followed) that the City board are war criminals, then mass-murdering war criminals, and then that we the fans are defending them.

As I see it, more of it is that the irritation is having mud thrown at the club due to having senior people on the board (the Sheikh obviously, and Pearce is a special advisor to I think the exec committee - he almost certainly has been asked for his opinions on many things).

City fans have been feeding the media fuel. Replying with emotion is what they want, and what they're getting. Ignore them, or reply calmly making sure any facts quoted are correct. It gets far more under their skin than venting at them.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
City fans are responding, they are going after hacks on Twitter. Fuck even one blue got in the press box at Wembley, the journalists now use the term that our Abu Dhabi slave masters have ‘weaponised’ our fan base. I wonder what the angle will be if this UEFA investigation is thrown out? It will kill the UK press having to back track on that one.
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The flip side of that coin could well have resulted in a corrosive substance being flung in the face of a City employee. Maybe there is no correlation at all but maybe there is. Who have the journalists weaponised?
 
DrBlueBob said:
The flip side of that coin could well have resulted in a corrosive substance being flung in the face of a City employee. Maybe there is no correlation at all but maybe there is. Who have the journalists weaponised?
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Excellent point. Next time a hack talks about this on twitter, they should be asked. And again and again.
 
Dubai Blue said:
He's probably trying to defend himself cos plenty of people on here are blaming him for what happened. The poster I quoted for one, and there are several others.

I'm taking him on face value that he genuinely had fuck all to do with it. His immediate reaction (and follow-up comments on here about Andy) certainly suggest he wasn't impressed. Maybe he should have just left it at that, but then people have continued blaming him so I can see why he's felt the need to defend himself. I still think his channel was shite, mind.
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He has said he had nothing to do with it but he is also hinting he could publish private messages,how do you think Rabin is feeling,one of them won't delete the video and one is saying he might show everyone the messages,it's a fucking disgrace,let the 2 dicks fight it out between them in private then delete everything,blue on blue at the moment is a ****s trick,Rabin was doing a great job
 
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