Extinction Rebellion

[TonyM]

Could these protesters and their disruptive campaigns push more people to the right? For example...

- If there were Semi-Facist disobediance on the streets at the same time as ClimateChange peaceful parades, people might be more sympathetic to the ClimateCahnge cause?
- If there were Semi-Facist peaceful parades at the same time as ClimateChange disobediance on the streets, people might be more sympathetic to the Semi-Facist cause?

I'd imagine that in history timing is everything. Maybe with Brexit and independence efforts and refugee migrations and other events challenging the middle ground opinions of us all, all it takes is a push too hard to the left for us to respond by leaning right? If so maybe we are entering dangerous time where people could do things beyond what we'd ever suspect.

I hope not.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

My whole point from the start of this thread has been if that is the case, then it is still there democratic right to protest. Thats what's I support. I despise the DFLA and Yaxley's halfwitted EDL but 100% support their right to protest, even when they are defiling our beautiful city with their stupidity.

You do not have to support the cause, but you can support the democratic legitimacy of the right to protest.

A lot of posters are confusing that right to protest with the cause, but in my mind they are two different issues.

Don't disagree with any of this. If we remove the right to protest, we're not a democracy, end of.

If I was in charge of XR strategy I would be protesting outside embassies, I'd be protesting for the renationalisation of all public transport to make it truly affordable etc.

But that's my point with them. They don't give a shiny shite about quality of life for anybody except their own little cadre of affluent, privileged, gap year/trust fund wankers.

I despise them and all they stand for but I'd never deny them the right to protest.

 

[TonyM]

Also I feel like far more important than climate change is how we humans live and interact. I honestly couldn't give two shits about the snow leopards. I do care about the people in the Jakarta video earlier living on a landscape that is sinking due to a lack of government planning. (Just to be clear I'm not offering to help in either case - heaven forbid no) But I do hope that humans are prioritized above all else. Then if there's time and money left over save the snow leopard.

 

[Rascal]

Oh god, you must be offended all the time on here.
It was said in jest

I am offended by the fact you think I am offended.

 

[hilts]

Your boss says the same thing!

Climate change is something we have to start taking seriously but pissing off commuters using an environmentally friendly mode of public transport and performing 'conceptual dance' in the middle of a road you've blocked really isn't a good way to get people to do that.

I'll admit some of the protests have been ill thought out but I would take that over the people who prefer to ignore the situation. I bet the ones getting really angry are the selfish tits that are part of the problem.

Their inconvenience is ironically apt.

 

[hilts]

Listening to the guy filming the whole scene, he was asked by the interviewer "why protest a tube station, where people are just trying to get to work"?

He replied stating that the Police have closed off areas under some act or other, which means these are the only viable places to protest where they can "reach" a lot of people. That's their justification; we can't protest there, so we'll do it here and disrupt everybody. Well if my "message" resulted in people dragging me down and kicking the shit out of me, i'd take that as a hint to get the fuck out of dodge and that my "message" was not welcomed at that particular place in time. "I didn't expect the people of London, the good people of London, to behave like that..." No shit sherlock, you were making them late for work, jeopardising their employment and livelihoods.

The last bit is hyperbole mate as is the the view people will ignore the message because they get pissed off. I find all this boo hoo my life has been disrupted hard to take seriously.

 

[Ban-jani]

I do wonder when this will start to aggravate people too much and push them away.

I don’t think continually doing it, stopping people getting to work, for weeks and weeks is the answer.

But as others have said, the topic is needed to be taken very seriously and their rights to protest must be protected at all costs.

 

[inchy14]

Its worked though, if that what it takes to get your attention it shows how willing they are to fight for their cause.

Well done to them for being so passionate in their beliefs.

They're not that willing to fight for their cause to go protest in at the embassies of the worst pollutants though are they?

Maybe the old man has realised what he has done to the planet and changed his beliefs.

Well done to the old fella, age is no barrier to changing ones mind.

You mean he's selfishly decided he's had what he needs out of life and wants to find a way to stop others having the same enjoyment and totally ignoring the fact that we're actually giving off less pollution than in his day?

And now you are coming out as being against legitimate protest.

You are painting quite a picture

What the fuck is legitimate about sitting on top of a tube train? They don't give a fuck about the rest of the poor folks just trying to get on with their lives, if 1 person died or lost his job due to these cunts actions would you say it was worth it?

 

[Rascal]

They're not that willing to fight for their cause to go protest in at the embassies of the worst pollutants though are they?



You mean he's selfishly decided he's had what he needs out of life and wants to find a way to stop others having the same enjoyment and totally ignoring the fact that we're actually giving off less pollution than in his day?



What the fuck is legitimate about sitting on top of a tube train? They don't give a fuck about the rest of the poor folks just trying to get on with their lives, if 1 person died or lost his job due to these cunts actions would you say it was worth it?

That's one way of looking at it.

Were the 15 deaths at Peterloo justified. I would argue yes, but still be saddened by the needless loss of life.

Like I have repeatedly said, I support there right to protest, I don't have to support their cause or methods

 

[inchy14]

That's one way of looking at it.

Were the 15 deaths at Peterloo justified. I would argue yes, but still be saddened by the needless loss of life.

Like I have repeatedly said, I support there right to protest, I don't have to support their cause or methods

So at what point do you decide to condemn their methods?

They're bang out of order, they're picking the actual target that they should be actively encouraging more people to use, face it mate most of these are just anarchists looking for a little bit of trouble, problem for some is they've found it.

And you seriously can't compare Peterloo to this ffs. Peterloo was to get parliamentary representation, this is in one way, to deny future generations from having the same luxuries these have had.

My own albeit cynical view on a lot of climate change is because we really don't want the 3rd world countries catching and then surpassing our own cultures and use CC as a way to keep the masses down trodden. No problem during the boom of the 80's or earlier but now India or China and areas of Africa want to build power plants, become more technological, nah, we ain't having that.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

That's one way of looking at it.

Were the 15 deaths at Peterloo justified. I would argue yes, but still be saddened by the needless loss of life.

Like I have repeatedly said, I support there right to protest, I don't have to support their cause or methods

Rascal, would you still be so supportive of their right to protest if their protests stopped your Mum voting!? ;-) i think not!

 

[hilts]

So at what point do you decide to condemn their methods?

They're bang out of order, they're picking the actual target that they should be actively encouraging more people to use, face it mate most of these are just anarchists looking for a little bit of trouble, problem for some is they've found it.

And you seriously can't compare Peterloo to this ffs. Peterloo was to get parliamentary representation, this is in one way, to deny future generations from having the same luxuries these have had.

My own albeit cynical view on a lot of climate change is because we really don't want the 3rd world countries catching and then surpassing our own cultures and use CC as a way to keep the masses down trodden. No problem during the boom of the 80's or earlier but now India or China and areas of Africa want to build power plants, become more technological, nah, we ain't having that.

Wow parliamentary rep okay future of the planet nah not important enough. Pmsl that is a classic.

Sorry it's not about climate change its about stopping other people in the future having luxuries haha. Kinell the way the mind works.

I hope the next protest is on your commute.

 

[Rascal]

So at what point do you decide to condemn their methods?

They're bang out of order, they're picking the actual target that they should be actively encouraging more people to use, face it mate most of these are just anarchists looking for a little bit of trouble, problem for some is they've found it.

And you seriously can't compare Peterloo to this ffs. Peterloo was to get parliamentary representation, this is in one way, to deny future generations from having the same luxuries these have had.

My own albeit cynical view on a lot of climate change is because we really don't want the 3rd world countries catching and then surpassing our own cultures and use CC as a way to keep the masses down trodden. No problem during the boom of the 80's or earlier but now India or China and areas of Africa want to build power plants, become more technological, nah, we ain't having that.

We all have our own views on stuff, I don't particularly have one on ER apart from supporting their right to protest. What cause is more important is a matter of personal opinion, and if they feel that strongly about theirs then that is fair enough to me. The methods they use will either succeed or fail, it is not business to support or condemn their methods, it is to support their rights.

I was reading an interesting article the other day about the new political divide being not between left and right but between Anarchists and Conformists. It is easier to be a conformist than an Anarchist but I think there is a little bit of an Anarchist in us all.

 

[Rascal]

Rascal, would you still be so supportive of their right to protest if their protests stopped your Mum voting!? ;-) i think not!

That my friend is a very interesting question. If the protest was aimed at stopping people voting, I would definitely vote because being anti-democratic does not solve democratic problems. If the protest was against the use of a school hall that was riddled with asbestos I would probably refuse to vote and support the protest.

But it is a damn good question and I suppose it would depend on the protest.

 

[inchy14]

Wow parliamentary rep okay future of the planet nah not important enough. Pmsl that is a classic.

Sorry it's not about climate change its about stopping other people in the future having luxuries haha. Kinell the way the mind works.

I hope the next protest is on your commute.

The planet will be here well after we do whatever we decide to do to it. The hyperbole that surrounds this topic is fucking hilarious, so over the top, what happened to all the doom and gloom regarding the ozone layer? Oh yes that's right, fuck all happened.

And you seriously think the majority of these fuck wits know anything regarding climate change or have they just jumped onto the latest bandwaggon.

As for your final comment, they probably will try to stop my commute at some point, as i fucking cycle..............

 

[hilts]

The planet will be here well after we do whatever we decide to do to it. The hyperbole that surrounds this topic is fucking hilarious, so over the top, what happened to all the doom and gloom regarding the ozone layer? Oh yes that's right, fuck all happened.

And you seriously think the majority of these fuck wits know anything regarding climate change or have they just jumped onto the latest bandwaggon.

As for your final comment, they probably will try to stop my commute at some point, as i fucking cycle..............

Unless you're work means you're cycling to the world renowned scientific centre for climate change I'm putting your post down as utter horsehit I'm afraid.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

It's just boring now. The longer it drags on the less impact these protests have. It's a bit like driving past those roadside shrines - at first you realy feel for the families loss and grief, but after a few weeks when the flowers are wilted and the photo ruined by the rain you barely notice.

 

[bluemooners09]

It's just boring now. The longer it drags on the less impact these protests have. It's a bit like driving past those roadside shrines - at first you realy feel for the families loss and grief, but after a few weeks when the flowers are wilted and the photo ruined by the rain you barely notice.

We all remember Swampy because he didnt seem as twatish as these lot.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

It's just boring now. The longer it drags on the less impact these protests have. It's a bit like driving past those roadside shrines - at first you realy feel for the families loss and grief, but after a few weeks when the flowers are wilted and the photo ruined by the rain you barely notice.

Tell that to Hong Kong.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Tell that to Hong Kong.

I think the Chinese government has already.